Other ways to solve the last layer?

[tievoke]

I'm currently doing 2-look OLL (4.72 avg of 5) + full PLL (8.34 avg of 5) for the last layer. I feel this is tremendously slowing down my total solving time. Also, I've been using this method since I've been cubing, so I'm getting tired of this last layer method (and its way too many moves).

I was wondering; how many other methods are there out there? I know of the Petrus LL (way too slow due to bad recognition), the beginners LL (like the one in Dan Brown's video, which is also slow due to it being a beginner's method), full Fridrich's PLL (but I don't want to learn the 21 PLL's).

Any other methods out there?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Shortey]

Not saying OLL-PLL is the fastest way to solve LL, but the top cubers in the world use it. You just have to practice.

 

[irontwig]

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Last_Layer_Methods

 

[Kirjava]

CLL+1, Snyder and PLL -> OLL aren't mentioned on the wiki.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

ELL-ZBLL
COLL-ELL
BSLL? (Not entirely sure what this is so sorry if its wrong)

Kir: do you have a link to a good CLL+1 site

 

[Athefre]

And there's my non-matching LL.

 

[Kirjava]

ELL-ZBLL

You mean ELL - COCPLL

COLL-ELL

You mean COLL-EPLL

BSLL? (Not entirely sure what this is so sorry if its wrong)

You mean FreeFOP LL? It's just LL.

Kir: do you have a link to a good CLL+1 site

Doesn't exist. No one has worked out how to use CLL+1 fully yet.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

You mean COLL-EPLL

Actually, I meant CLL-ELL...

And isn't COCPLL just a subset of ZBLL?

 

[irontwig]

Actually, I meant CLL-ELL...

And isn't COCPLL just a subset of ZBLL?

Yes, aka L4C.

 

[Kirjava]

Actually, I meant CLL-ELL...

Then say what you mean >
CLL/ELL is already on the wiki.

And isn't COCPLL just a subset of ZBLL?

Yes, that is what it is. You don't need full ZBLL if you're doing ELL first. It's like saying that the normal method people use is OLL-ZBLL because PLL is a subset of ZBLL.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Jungleterrain]

Why wouldn't you want to learn full PLL? It's not difficult at all, and you already know about a third of the PLLs if you know 2-look PLL. Full OLL definitely can be intimidating to learn since there are 57 cases for it. 1look PLL does a good job of reducing your times, though. 1 alg a day, 30 mins before you go to sleep, you'll have it down in at most 2 weeks.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

He knows full PLL

 

[Jungleterrain]

yeah he says that, but then he states: "full Fridrich's PLL (but I don't want to learn the 21 PLL's)."

that is confusing to me?

and if it takes you 8 seconds on avg for PLL, then you are probably doing 2-look PLL

 

[Schmidt]

ELL - COCPLL

COLL-EPLL

FreeFOP LL

Does these methods contain more or less than the 21 PLL algs that he didn't want to learn??

 

[Godmil]

Learn full PLL and you'll knock at least 3seconds off your average within a month.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Learn full PLL and you'll knock at least 3seconds off your average within a month.

You heard it here folks, it's a proven fact.

 

[maggot]

It may seem like a lot of moves, but there are fingertricks too... all of the pll can be performed sub1 with the right alg and the right fingertrick. There are tons of fingertricks on youtube. Some people cannot grasp the ones on youtube and sometimes you just come up with your own by robotically performing the alg over and over and then trying to figure out how to make them fluid through regrips and cube rotations... also, grab a pll trainer once you've learned full pll... then just go on it for like a week and do pll solves just like you would do a regular solve. Try to get them all sub 4... its very possible.