Order of Memorization

[Sakarie]

Memo corners
Memo edges
Solve corners
Fix parity
Solve edges

I decided to do it this way because that would be easiest with my parityfix.

 

[byu]

What is your parity fix? With old pochmann, it's exually east and with M2, edges first is faster

 

[Mike Hughey]

How do u memo with rooms? do u put 2 pieces of info at each location, then go round the room twice? I think that I may adopt this 4 multi so i can have one cube per room.

No, I use half the locations in the room for one set of pieces, and the other half for the other set of pieces. I put 3 images at each location, plus a person to represent the buffer. (I allow the buffer location to move when doing all center pieces; I only use a fixed buffer for edges, for M2/r2.) So, for instance, with a 7x7x7, I would put the first 7 outer wings (including the buffer piece) at location 1, then the next 6 at location 2, then 6 more at location 3, and so on. If there are several cycles, I could easily wind up needing 5 locations for these, but I almost never need 6 locations. So I put centers (in this case, obliques) in the rest of the room, starting with location 5 or 6, depending on how the wings came out. Since the centers usually have some already solved and often have nice odd-numbered cycles to make them more efficient, I usually won't run out of my typical 9 locations in a room. If I do run out, in most rooms I have a couple of spillover locations I can use for those emergency cases, and if I don't have one for some reason, I'll create one on the fly.

By the way, for multi, a room per cube is very much overkill for me - in most cases I can fit a 3x3x3 in half a room, with 3 images (6 pieces) per location. But I just use one room per cube anyway because it's an easy way to keep the cubes distinct in memory. It makes for nice random memory access - I can easily solve cubes in whatever order I want to.

 

[MatsBergsten]

3x3
Memo edges
Memo corners
Solve corners
Solve edges.
This because I use very loose memory for corners, it sticks only for say 30 seconds or
while I am doing it (memoing/solving). Just a sequence of letters. I could not do something other (like solving edges or even parity) in between.

4x4
Memo centers
Memo corners
Memo edges
Memo corners that needs only to be oriented and solving them
Solving the rest in memo order
All parity last

5x5
Memo X-centers
Memo +-centers
Memo corners
Memo middle edges
Memo wing edges
Memo corners that needs only to be oriented and solving them
Solving the rest in memo order
All parity last

As I in multi cannot use the same (loose) corner memo for all cubes I memo one cube at a time
but for the last where I only memo edges. Then do some sorting according to flips or parity
and at best can have at least one fast corner memo.

 

[SimonWestlund]

3x3
Memo edges
Memo corners
Solve corners
Solve edges.
This because I use very loose memory for corners, it sticks only for say 30 seconds or
while I am doing it (memoing/solving). Just a sequence of letters. I could not do something other (like solving edges or even parity) in between.

Exactly the same as me! I forget corners a lot faster than edges. Probably since I memo corners visually and have a story for edges, I need to practise my visual corner memo though.

 

[Rosson91]

memo edges
memo corners
solve corners
solve edges
parity

 

[not_kevin]

3OP:
memo:
EO
CO
EP
CP

solve:
EO/CO (I switch; generally EO first)
CP
EP

Parity is solved when I get 2 2-cycles.

 

[byu]

So you also use BAAB, the majority of 3x3 users are using ABBA or BAAB. I'm still doing a BABA pattern, but I haven't gotten a successful solve with ABBA yet. I'm trying though.

 

[cmhardw]

I haven't read my guide on here in a while, but I believe I give a different memory order there than what I use now.

3x3x3:
Memo: Edges (images/journeys), corners (single syllable words)
Solve: Corners, Edges

4x4x4:
Memo: centers (images), edges (images), corners (single syllable words)
Solve: corners, centers, edges

5x5x5:
Memo: t-centers (images), x-centers (images), wings (images), central edges (single syllable words), corners (single syllable words)
Solve: central edges, corners, t-centers, x-centers, wings

For 3x3x3 I am doing ABBA, for 4x4x4 I do ABCCAB and for 5x5x5 I do ABCDEDEABC

I am debating changing my 5x5x5 memory method to use single syllable Noun-Verb combinations for the DEDE part of the solving above. Now that I look at it my 5x5x5 memo looks weird to me and I might start to experiment with something more like: ABCDEEDABC and switch up the memo order for the 3x3x3 part.

Chris

--edit--

Using Brian's notation I do:

3x3x3: BAab
4x4x4: CEAace
5x5x5: DCEBAbadce

 

[byu]

Like mike, you seem to lose symmetry with bigger cubes. Is this also to support your memorization system?

Unrelated to the above two sentences, I finally got a success with ABba

 

[cmhardw]

Like mike, you seem to lose symmetry with bigger cubes. Is this also to support your memorization system?

Yes, I think so. Images memorized into a journey for me are completely linear, and I have a hard time "breaking" into a visual journey at a location that is not the very first image of the very first location. Sometimes I vaguely memorize the first image of a location, but I imagine it related to the last image of the previous location in some obvious way. For example if Darth Vader is the last image of one location, and Luke Skywalker is the first image in the next location, then I would do something like this. Darth Vader completes his interaction with the images in the first location, then he might throw his light saber (spinning and twirling through the air) to hit Luke Skywalker at the start of the next location. In this case I would remember that Darth Vader image very strongly and only think of "son" or "son of" as the start of the next journey location. So if I tried to skip to that Luke Skywalker location, I might remember the 2nd and 3rd images perfectly, but not the first because it is tied to the previous location.

A more detailed example might be
Location 1: An Elephant stomps a giant plane of glass, shattering it, and Darth Vader uses his light Saber to delfect the shards and protect himself. (EFWNDV)
Location 2: Luke Skywalker is the first image. I would remember Darth Vader from the previous location so I would go back to the previous location, and after Darth Vader deflected the shards he would throw his light saber twirling through the air toward the next location. I then vaguely picture a human form and think "son of" to remember that it is Luke. The light saber hits the vague human form and is injured. The body slumps over and hits a giant 6 foot tall cup, which slides across the ground into a straw hut, collapsing it. (LSCUHT).

I rarely have two images from different locations interact in an active way like above. Often if there is a loose connection between the last image of a location and the first image of the next location I will still picture the first image in the second location, but I focus on the relation to the last image of the previous location. I do this moreso than interacting the starting image of the second location with the other two images in that location. I hope that makes sense?

Memorizing using single syllable words (see my 5x5x5 central edges and corners) I memorize simply as a string of sounds. I cannot skip to the middle of this sound stream without first having "heard" the first part. This is why my 5x5x5 memorization is so strange in the middle.

Chris

 

[byu]

Wow, very complex system! I see you use images, do you do that for 3x3 too?

 

[Sa967St]

so I guess I'm bABa aABb

(uppercase=orientation, lowercase=permutation
A=corners,B=edgas)

 

[byu]

I'm thinking of standardizing a sstem called NBME (Notation for Blindfolded Memorization and Execution) I'll do a writeup and post it somewhere (a new thread perhaps) and see if we can adopt this notation

EDIT: Done. You can find it here

 

[abr71310]

Darth Vader completes his interaction with the images in the first location, then he might throw his light saber (spinning and twirling through the air) to hit Luke Skywalker at the start of the next location.

Chris

Is it scary that the hockey game I was watching starting playing the Star Wars theme just as I began to read your post (and was around there?).

For 3x3x3 (i've gotten 1 success out of 15, I really consider switching to a new method / memo method), i do:

Memo Edges
Memo Corners
Solve Corners
Solve Edges

includes Permutation and Orientation (Old Pochmann??), but I don't like it since my corner memo involves colours and places... (Edges are easy because I can list them together in pairs of two, and automatically judge parity before I hit it)

 

[cookingfat]

3x3
Memo edges
Memo corners
Solve corners
Solve edges.
This because I use very loose memory for corners, it sticks only for say 30 seconds or
while I am doing it (memoing/solving). Just a sequence of letters. I could not do something other (like solving edges or even parity) in between.

Exactly the same as me! I forget corners a lot faster than edges. Probably since I memo corners visually and have a story for edges, I need to practise my visual corner memo though.

memo edges
memo corners
solve corners
solve edges

Exactly like me too. I use visual memo for corners (which I'm not that good at) and it doesn't stick in my mind, so I have to solve the corners right away after memo, then as the edges are a combination of visual and letter pair images it tends to stick in my head a lot better.