OLL PLL vs O&P corners followed by O&P of edges

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Having worked out the 3x3 and all other cube sizes years ago for myself I now find myself interested in speed cubing. Obviously I've started to replace my inefficient algorithms with better ones and I'm learning to solve the LL with 2 algorithms. It seems there are 2 ways to do this. Orientate corners and edges with 1 algorithm and then position corners and edges with 1 algorithm, or Position and orientate corners in 1 algorithm and then position and orientate the edges in 1 algorithm. I've started learning the latter because this more closely resembles my own method. Is it known which one of these options is most efficient or require the memorization of the least number of algorithms? It seems that most people do the former. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked before.
 
The OLL stage is suited really well to speed cubing because the patterns can be really quickly identified (you don't have to look at a scrambled top layer and work out where the corners need to go - which would kill me). Similarly when you notice a few tricks the PLL can be really quick to identify too. I'm sure with the other method you could get good times, it just may be more difficult to recognise the cases as quickly.

EDIT: so what you're doing is CLL followed by ELL. Mmmm, says thats a total of 71 algs (only 7 less than Fridrich), so comparable in that sense.
 
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Ha, I thought of you last night (after Macky posted some juggling, I pondered on who's the best juggler among cubers).

There's more than just OLL+PLL and CLL+ELL. What is your own method?
 
Yeah, I know there's more than just those two methods. My own method for doing the LL was to position corners, then orient corners, then position edges and then orient edges. Each of these stages sometimes required an algorithm to be repeated a few times. It did the job though and I was happy to work it out on my own.

As for other jugglers, Luke Wilson solves the cube sub 30s and Peter Aberg faster I believe. I'm struggling to get sub 60s but then the only 3x3 I have is the one I got free from the EJC in Finland and it must be the worst cube ever produced in terms of ease of movement.
 
peterbone said:
As for other jugglers, Luke Wilson solves the cube sub 30s and Peter Aberg faster I believe. I'm struggling to get sub 60s but then the only 3x3 I have is the one I got free from the EJC in Finland and it must be the worst cube ever produced in terms of ease of movement.
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I think if you can get near the 60s barrier with a terrible cube (and don't worry, there are literally hundreds of millions of terrible cubes) you could do pretty decently on a good one. I'd suggest placing an order on lightake.com or a similar site. Normally Chinese products have a reputation for being knockoffs, but in the case of cubing all of the best types are from there.
 
Well now you guys make me want to see some of his juggling! Peter, I'm going to guess that your youtube channel is peterbone as well? It has juggling videos :P Oh wow, I'm not big into juggling so I don't know how good those videos are in comparison to the other jugglers around but I'm definitely impressed!
 
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fatboyxpc said:
Well now you guys make me want to see some of his juggling! Peter, I'm going to guess that your youtube channel is peterbone as well? It has juggling videos :P Oh wow, I'm not big into juggling so I don't know how good those videos are in comparison to the other jugglers around but I'm definitely impressed!
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Yes, that's him. And he is definitely one of the best numbers and siteswap jugglers in the world, especially with beanbags.

And Peter, while that's probably not the best cube out there, it's probably lots better than what you have now - it will probably do fine.
 
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Mike Hughey said:
Uh, yeah. I think Peter wins. Only a few years ago, he would not have been an unreasonable choice for "who's the best juggler among human beings". :)
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lolmikehowaboutgatto?

peterbone said:
As for other jugglers, Luke Wilson solves the cube sub 30s and Peter Aberg faster I believe. I'm struggling to get sub 60s but then the only 3x3 I have is the one I got free from the EJC in Finland and it must be the worst cube ever produced in terms of ease of movement.
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Dahl, Hedlund, Wadsten and Gyllenberg also solves cubes, though I don't know exactly what times they get. It wouldn't surprise me too much if Wes has learn to solve it.

The most effecient way to solve LL in turns of number of moves (FMC) would be to learn as many short algorithms as possible and for the cases that you can't solve in one go you would solve all edges and one corner and then solve the remaining three corners with a commutator (Tony Snyder's approach). You can check out the wiki, there's quite a lot of info there:

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/LL
 
irontwig said:
lolmikehowaboutgatto?
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That's why I worded it the way I did: "he would not have been an unreasonable choice for...". My vote would have definitely been for Gatto, with no competition whatsoever. But Peter would have probably been in my top ten. And there were probably quite a few people (certainly not Peter, because he's so humble) who would have picked him first, over Gatto, if for no other reason than the max numbers records.

And so you never answered Macky, irontwig. Do you do 5 club tricks!?!
 
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Mike Hughey said:
That's why I worded it the way I did: "he would not have been an unreasonable choice for...". My vote would have definitely been for Gatto, with no competition whatsoever. But Peter would have probably been in my top ten. And there were probably quite a few people (certainly not Peter, because he's so humble) who would have picked him first, over Gatto, if for no other reason than the max numbers records.
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Well imo Peter would have been a unresonable choice. No disrespect towards Pete, I'm pretty damn sure he understands my thinking

And so you never answered Macky, irontwig. Do you do 5 club tricks!?!
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A few, the hardest or at least the least common trick I've done is 10 catches of half spins (just do a youtube search for "5 club half spins").
 
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Well imo Peter would have been a unresonable choice. No disrespect towards Pete, I'm pretty damn sure he understands my thinking
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I have no doubt he would completely agree with you. Like I said, he's quite humble.

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A few, the hardest or at least the least common trick I've done is 10 catches of half spins (just do a youtube search for "5 club half spins").
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Wow, very nice! And I can't believe you can juggle 6 clubs in that kitchen with that low ceiling. Very impressive!
 
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Who's this Gatto guy? How many balls can he juggle? ;-)
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:) :) :)

(Sorry for the distraction and hijack, Peter, but I suspect a lot of people on here will be really wowed by this...)

For all those on here who don't know juggling, but are curious, this Anthony Gatto guy that we're talking about is considered by many (most?) to be the best juggler in the world. I guess this isn't a bad example of the kind of stuff Anthony Gatto does every day on stage, with usually zero mistakes. So these are his easy, safe tricks.

 
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