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[Kattenvriendin]

Cubes and pet hair rollers for my clothes hahaha.

The rollers are in.. started the vid.. uploading soon. It sucks.. I blow (my nose lol).

 

[mark49152]

Well, Mark the one good thing about cubing is that without any effort, just by doing solves every day, your brain will get to find pairs quicker. I bet that in 6 months from now you will have no problems what so ever being sub 30. Of course dedicated training on other stuff like cross, LL or even F2L helps a lot too

Thanks for the encouragement I'm just too impatient. Slow progress is fine, but I just hate long plateaus, or getting worse!

On practice, I'm coming to the conclusion that too much unfocused practice is harmful. It helps bad habits set in which are then hard to break. At the moment I'm doing nothing but lookahead and blind practice, to try try to reset my habit of watching the pieces being solved.

 

[BenVdd]

I did this slow turning Ao5 and by god was i impressed with my results!
These couple of months i was inactive all i have been doing is slower solves in public to let time pass by while waiting for stuff.

results:

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stats: (hide)
number of times: 5/5
best time: 18.19
worst time: 24.83

current avg5: 23.36 (σ = 0.94)
best avg5: 23.36 (σ = 0.94)

session avg: 23.36 (σ = 0.94)
session mean: 22.62

EDITTT: Damn , forgot to post my 5 times. i thikn besides the best and worst times there was a 22.x a 23.x and another 24.x)

Safe to say I am extremely happy with these results!

Edit: I should do another ao100 again some day
Edit²: I should also search for a good way to videotape my solves...

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Mine.. I am more impressed by my 28s off camera than these times lol

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[video=youtube_share;xeloGNA5OOg]http://youtu.be/xeloGNA5OOg[/video]

1. 27.86 R2 L2 U2 B2 D' F2 U' R2 B2 R2 D F R' U' B2 R D' U B2 R2 F' D2
2. 31.46 R2 L2 D' R2 B2 F2 D' U2 R2 F2 U' B D R F2 U' L2 U2 L F' U2
3. 32.29 D' L2 B2 D' B2 U R2 U2 R2 U2 R' U' B D F L F' U2 B2 R2 U'
4. 36.15 F2 D2 F2 D2 F2 R2 U' F2 U R2 U2 L' D F R' D2 F' R' L2 F2 L'
5. 32.82 U R2 L2 D L2 D' F2 U' B2 U' L B' U' B2 R' U B L F' D2



I must have cheated, my first time is faster than the rest.

 

[MarcelP]

I did this slow turning Ao5 and by god was i impressed with my results! session avg: 23.36 (σ = 0.94)
session mean: 22.62

No video, it did not happen LOL

Mine.. I am more impressed by my 28s off camera than these times lol
I must have cheated, my first time is faster than the rest.

Looks pretty cool to me. You have a natural solve style. I just did a sub 25 Ao5 slow.. I might upload that one aswell.

 

[BenVdd]

fair enough ^^

 

[sneaklyfox]

Nice slow solves!

Edit: I think I missed a few posts. Wow... I feel honoured to have a race named after me... and happy if it helps to motivate some slow solve look ahead practice!

 

[sneaklyfox]

My joke got a bit lost . Kong said your F2L probably had half the moves of mine. I counted mine over 25 solves recently and average about 30 moves although in a real solve I guess I don't always make the most efficient choices, so more like 32-33. Anyway, efficiency isn't my problem. Not sure what optimal is, but 30's not bad.

30 moves is quite good. Wait... does that include cross?

 

[mark49152]

30 moves is quite good. Wait... does that include cross?

No. It was 7.2 moves each for the first 3 pairs and 8 for the 4th.

 

[sneaklyfox]

No. It was 7.2 moves each for the first 3 pairs and 8 for the 4th.

Ok, but still good. I just tried 25 solves and counted my F2L (not including cross and aiming for fewer move count) and average was 28-29 so not much difference. I don't always do what's most "efficient" in terms of less move count though because of rotations and things like that. For example...

Set up: B U B'
"Normal": y R U' R'
I sometimes like to do this: r' U r U' r' U' r

 

[Schmidt]

Not really slow-turning, but it's been a while since I last taped myself.

The first ~90 sec I just hand-scramble the cubes.

 

[mark49152]

Set up: B U B'
"Normal": y R U' R'
I sometimes like to do this: r' U r U' r' U' r

That's nice, I haven't seen that before. I do lots of d and d' moves to reduce rotations (although technically maybe they are still rotations). For this case I would do either d L U2 L' or d' R' F R F'. I also use lots of sledgehammers front and back, e.g. setup L U L' U', solve r' U r B', using right index to pull U and push B' in one smooth movement.

 

[MarcelP]

Not really slow-turning, but it's been a while since I last taped myself.

Nice! I like your turn style. Still I see pauses but your times are better than mine. I have done a few more video's and most where around 26 seconds. I had two sub 25 averages on video.. I think I am on to something now.. I am going to focus on nothing but slow turning and lookahead for a month or so. We'll see what happens

 

[MarcelP]

After 'modding' my white MoYu I decided to do my black one aswell. I prefer the silence and more heavy feeling a lot better. Btw, are there any MoYu haters here? I just love this cube. The white one is my current main.

 

[mark49152]

I am going to focus on nothing but slow turning and lookahead for a month or so. We'll see what happens

Great, me too! I'm 3 weeks in already but am nowhere near reaching my target yet. I'll make a video when I can, but I have an idea for a video I'd like to see from you guys: metronome solves. Set the metronome to 180bpm or 150 or something and bang out each solve without missing a beat. You may speed up during LL but get bonus points for sticking to the beat at F2L/OLL/PLL transitions

This is what my "holy grail" solve style would be - even if the beat isn't super fast, the solve would be smooth and rhythmic and relentless, like a 400m runner pounding the track...

What do you think?

 

[MarcelP]

Sounds very cool! I am in. Are there online metronomes?

 

[Kattenvriendin]

http://www.metronomeonline.com/

of course.. just hit "on" in the image and fiddle about hehe

 

[sneaklyfox]

Great, me too! I'm 3 weeks in already but am nowhere near reaching my target yet. I'll make a video when I can, but I have an idea for a video I'd like to see from you guys: metronome solves. Set the metronome to 180bpm or 150 or something and bang out each solve without missing a beat. You may speed up during LL but get bonus points for sticking to the beat at F2L/OLL/PLL transitions

This is what my "holy grail" solve style would be - even if the beat isn't super fast, the solve would be smooth and rhythmic and relentless, like a 400m runner pounding the track...

What do you think?

Points? So we get a score? So do you prefer full solve with 180bpm or do you want to see fastest possible OLL/PLL with minimal stop between those two steps?

Edit: Oh yeah, and are things like R2 supposed to be in one beat or two?

 

[mark49152]

Points? So we get a score?

Yeah why not, let's make it a competition, and let's level the playing field . How about this: divide 4000 by your current ao50 or ao100, and that gives your bpm. So mine would be 4000/35.7 = 112bpm. Set the metronome and solve full F2L. Your score is the number of missed beats, lower is better. We can do ao5 or ao12, up to you, depends how interesting this is

So do you prefer full solve with 180bpm or do you want to see fastest possible OLL/PLL with minimal stop between those two steps?

Since this is about lookahead, I guess there's less point doing LL algs. We could make it F2L only, unless you think this might be useful for testing OLL/PLL recognition or prediction. What do you think?

Edit: Oh yeah, and are things like R2 supposed to be in one beat or two?

I'd say one beat, but I'm slower and ought to be able to double-flick U2 in one 112bpm beat. Would that work for you at your speed? I guess it doesn't matter either way as long as we're consistent. The 4000 number is based on the average number of HTM moves in my F2L, so if we go for one quarter move per beat I'll calculate a new number based on QTM.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Yeah why not, let's make it a competition, and let's level the playing field . How about this: divide 4000 by your current ao50 or ao100, and that gives your bpm. So mine would be 4000/35.7 = 112bpm. Set the metronome and solve full F2L. Your score is the number of missed beats, lower is better. We can do ao5 or ao12, up to you, depends how interesting this is

Since this is about lookahead, I guess there's less point doing LL algs. We could make it F2L only, unless you think this might be useful for testing OLL/PLL recognition or prediction. What do you think?

I'd say one beat, but I'm slower and ought to be able to double-flick U2 in one 112bpm beat. Would that work for you at your speed? I guess it doesn't matter either way as long as we're consistent. The 4000 number is based on the average number of HTM moves in my F2L, so if we go for one quarter move per beat I'll calculate a new number based on QTM.

I guess I am lucky that I have been doing some slow solves lately. My current Ao100 is 18.02 but that still gives me 222bpm. Metronomeonline.com only goes up to 208 though... is there another online metronome that you know of that goes higher (though I guess I could dig out my digital metronome and put some batteries in it... I am a music teacher after all... should have a metronome lying around)...

F2L only (including cross??) sounds good to me. Sure we can do HTM so double flicks have to be done in one beat. I like how the playing field is leveled... I hate metronome practice though...