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Two days ago I had my first sub 25 Ao12. Today I was doing an Ao100 and I had a 24.something at a certain point. I thought I was not going to beat that PB soon. And 20 solves later:

Best average of 12: 23.93
67-78 - 21.84 24.26 22.04 28.00 27.65 (19.68) 23.34 (28.40) 22.78 23.21 23.50 22.71

OMG.. I did not expect that to happen any time soon.. A sub 24 Ao12.. LOL Ofcourse it's nothing like Mats' WR but it sure feels like a WR.. ;)
 
Kattenvriendin said:
WHOOOOHOOHOO!!!

Quite the accomplishment! It is those marks we set for ourselves. And when we cross them when not expected.. YEAAAAHHHH!


Congrats!
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Yep, indeed. that is the addictive feeling ;)
sneaklyfox said:
Sub-24! Way to go, Marcel! Sub-20 GOGOGO. :)
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It was kind of a fluke.. ;) I took some time to go hiking with my wife and kids and after that did a quick Ao50.. Total average was 27.45 and best Ao12 was:

Best average of 12: 26.39
32-43 - 23.92 (30.82) 27.17 22.51 28.07 26.68 29.81 27.93 27.98 23.82 (22.18) 26.03

Big difference.. LOL
 
MarcelP said:
It was kind of a fluke.. ;) I took some time to go hiking with my wife and kids and after that did a quick Ao50.. Total average was 27.45 and best Ao12 was:

Best average of 12: 26.39
32-43 - 23.92 (30.82) 27.17 22.51 28.07 26.68 29.81 27.93 27.98 23.82 (22.18) 26.03

Big difference.. LOL
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I don't call it a fluke. But if you insist on calling it that then by all means keep fluking!
 
After nice video's from Kattenvriendin and Gordon I have turned my camera on also:

I average around 26 - 28 now these days so these are typical solves:

48. 26.05 B2 L2 U2 R2 D' L2 F2 U' F2 R2 B2 L' D' L' B U2 R2 D' B' F' R' D2
49. 26.16 B2 L2 U2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U' L F R' L' B2 F L' U2 B2 D'
50. 29.38 R2 U2 B2 U' F2 D F2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B R' U2 R2 L' B' R U' B R2 F'
51. 27.89 R2 D' R2 D R2 B2 D' U F2 R2 F' L2 F' R2 D L2 F' L' D'
52. 28.55 B2 F2 D R2 B2 R2 U' B2 D' R2 U F B2 L' B2 D2 R F2 L2 D' B' U'
53. 28.72 L2 U B2 R2 F2 R2 D2 B2 D L2 U' B R B' U B2 R2 L2 D B L

I wanted to do them all on white but when I looked at the video I noticed I had a green cross in there aswell..LOL I still only practise CN. I had two X-crosses in these 6 solves. I notice that for me these are not faster than normal crosses and doing pairs afterwards..
[video=youtube_share;bVHWShLfn98]http://youtu.be/bVHWShLfn98[/video]
 
MarcelP said:
After nice video's from Kattenvriendin and Gordon I have turned my camera on also:

I average around 26 - 28 now these days so these are typical solves:

48. 26.05 B2 L2 U2 R2 D' L2 F2 U' F2 R2 B2 L' D' L' B U2 R2 D' B' F' R' D2
49. 26.16 B2 L2 U2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U' L F R' L' B2 F L' U2 B2 D'
50. 29.38 R2 U2 B2 U' F2 D F2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B R' U2 R2 L' B' R U' B R2 F'
51. 27.89 R2 D' R2 D R2 B2 D' U F2 R2 F' L2 F' R2 D L2 F' L' D'
52. 28.55 B2 F2 D R2 B2 R2 U' B2 D' R2 U F B2 L' B2 D2 R F2 L2 D' B' U'
53. 28.72 L2 U B2 R2 F2 R2 D2 B2 D L2 U' B R B' U B2 R2 L2 D B L

I wanted to do them all on white but when I looked at the video I noticed I had a green cross in there aswell..LOL I still only practise CN. I had two X-crosses in these 6 solves. I notice that for me these are not faster than normal crosses and doing pairs afterwards..
[video=youtube_share;bVHWShLfn98]http://youtu.be/bVHWShLfn98[/video]
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Great! +1 for X-crosses!

sneaklyfox said:
Wow, you can do X-crosses? I know the idea of it, but I have never really practiced it to use it to my advantage. If it happens to me, it's always by accident.
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Jskyler91 has a series of great vids on it! You should check them out.
 
sneaklyfox said:
Wow, you can do X-crosses? I know the idea of it, but I have never really practiced it to use it to my advantage. If it happens to me, it's always by accident.
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I have been practicing a lot, and I have been doing a lot of Fewest moves lately. There you MUSt be able to do block building with keyhole tricks and stuff.. I totally suck at it, and all the time that I spend on FMC is less time on speed
training ;) LOL.. I noticed no improvement this week.. I do however notice some more consitency in my times.. I like that.

anyway, here are some CN solves:

10. 25.43 F2 R2 B2 D B2 D2 R2 D2 F2 U B2 L' B' R B F' U' B' R2 L B
11. 26.54 U2 B2 D' L2 U R2 U2 B2 L2 U' L' B U2 R U' L U' B2 D' F' L
12. 25.66 L2 U F2 L2 D R2 D' U R2 F2 D2 B D R2 L' F R' U' F L D' U2 (performed wrong PLL )
13. 31.28 D2 L2 D2 U' B2 R2 B2 R2 D2 L2 U' R' B2 D' R' D R' F R D R U'
14. 25.06 B2 R2 U L2 U F2 D L2 B2 U L' B' L2 D' L' F2 R D2 L B2

[video=youtube_share;QHgXXMuzTZk]http://youtu.be/QHgXXMuzTZk[/video]
 
yeah, me too.. Thinking and turning.. LOL Normal cross is faster for me. But do not forget our former record holder Feliks (remeber that guy? ) uses X-cross often (according to one of his videos. I admire his speed and style greatly so I think I should master CN and Xcrosses aswel.. Even if it takes a few year.

And check my X-cross solution on FMC from this week:

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?40785-Weekly-Competition-2013-10
 
My Solution for the FMC weekly competition week 11 also had an X-cross:

scramble: R' U' L2 U R2 D L F' R' F U2 R2 U2 F2 L2 B U2 F2 R2 L2

L' B R'L2 B2 R' // x-CROSS
R D' R' D2 F' D F2 D' F' // 2ND PAIR
L D2 L' D' B' D' B // 3RD PAIR
D' L D2 L' F' D2 F D' F' D F // LAST PAIR
B U F U2 B' U B U2 F B' // OLL
B D' F D2 B'D B D2 F' B' // PLL

Waaay too many moves for a nice solution LOL ;)
 
It's fun to see you have some interest for FMC. I started trying it a week (or maby two) before you, and find it quite interesting as it is so different from everything else.
Check out my solution of 36 moves: D2 R2 L’ B R2 B2 R2 L2 D L D L’ R D R’ D’ R D’ R’ D’ R’ B R B’ L D2 L’ D’ L D2 R’ D L’ D’ R D2

2x2x1 block: D2
Place red cross piece, make red/green pair: R2
Double X-cross : L’ B R2 B2 R2 L2
3rd pair: D L D L’
4th pair: R D R’ D2 R D’ R’
OLL: R D R’ D R D’ R’ D’ R’ B R B’
PLL: L D2 L’ D’ L D2 R’ D L’ D’ R D2

The way I inserted the last pair made a longer OLL, but because all the moves in bold can be canceled and replaced with a D', I saved a move (I think)

Nothing too advanced, just some fancy block building in the beginning. Notice the fancy way the red/blue pair is solved :P
I'm actually not much better than you (my earlier attempts have been 47, 47 and 46 moves), this solve just turned out very nicely.

I hope you find this somewhat useful and maybe helps you see things in a new way. Practicing some Petrus/block building is very handy in FMC, even if you use a CFOP-ish method.
Good luck in your future attempts :)

Edit:
I counted the moves in your solution and could only see 53

L' B R'L2 B2 R' // x-CROSS
R D' R' D2 F' D F2 D' F' // 2ND PAIR
L D2 L' D' B' D' B // 3RD PAIR
D' L D2 L' F' D2 F D' F' D F // LAST PAIR
B U F U2 B' U B U2 F B' // OLL
B D' F D2 B'D B D2 F' B' // PLL
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The moves I have marked with bold can be canceled/removed as R' R and B' B doesn't really do anything.
So your solution could actually be written as 49 moves ;)
 
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PianoCube said:
The moves I have marked with bold can be canceled/removed as R' R and B' B doesn't really do anything.
So your solution could actually be written as 49 moves ;)
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Yeah, FMC is fun. Thanks for the improved count. Can you tell I am not a smart person? LOL

Every now and then I get private lessons from guusr. He is the Yoda of FMC. Has been worldchampion. I totally suck at FMC but really enjoy it. I wish I had more time to do more solves.
 
Time for some statistics. I did an Ao30 CN and Ao100 Whitecross today

Ao30 Colour neutral
Mean: 28.22
Average: 28.19
Best time: 22.62
Median: 28.23
Worst time: 34.49
Standard deviation: 2.80

Best average of 5: 26.44
12-16 - (23.93) 26.67 (28.56) 25.20 27.46

Best average of 12: 27.72
1-12 - 24.45 26.15 27.59 26.24 28.63 31.23 25.87 (33.28) 28.18 29.05 29.80 (23.93)


Ao100 White cross

Mean: 27.39 // Mehh. I was hoping for a sub 26
Average: 27.38
Best time: 19.23
Median: 27.47
Worst time: 36.11
Standard deviation: 2.98

Best average of 5: 23.90
32-36 - (19.23) 24.71 (27.51) 25.36 21.62

Best average of 12: 25.13
27-38 - 22.52 25.47 25.10 26.76 25.82 (19.23) 24.71 27.51 25.36 21.62 (27.63) 26.40

Some of the solves:

48. 25.74 L2 D U2 F2 U' R2 F2 L2 U L2 U' R F' R2 D2 U F2 U B' F2 L U2
49. 28.56 F2 D B2 U F2 U' R2 U B2 F2 L2 F D U' B' L2 D2 R B' U L D
50. 22.88 D L2 U' R2 D L2 D U' R2 B2 U' F' D B2 U' L' B' L' D' R2 B' U
51. 27.42 F2 D2 L2 U' B2 R2 L2 U' F2 R2 F D B2 U2 L' U R' D U' R2
52. 29.13 L2 D' R2 U' B2 D' F2 U L2 D2 B' D L B F2 U' F R L2
[video=youtube_share;2U_xVKREzKk]http://youtu.be/2U_xVKREzKk[/video]
 
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