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[Schmidt]

Spoiler: Roux times

Generated By csTimer(www.cstimer.net) on 2012-12-3
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 36.96
worst: 1:13.91

mean of 3
current: 46.48 (σ = 6.43)
best: 45.16 (σ = 5.08)

avg of 5
current: 49.55 (σ = 1.77)
best: 45.16 (σ = 5.08)

avg of 12
current: 49.34 (σ = 8.17)
best: 49.34 (σ = 8.17)

Average: 49.34 (σ = 8.17)
Mean: 50.35

Time List:
1. 42.83 B2 U2 L' F2 R B2 U2 L D2 L' B2 D L F L' D2 B' D B' R D
2. 1:06.44 R2 D' R2 D' B2 D R2 B2 D' L2 D2 F D F2 L2 F' L' B' U R2 F2
3. 36.96 D2 R2 F U2 F' U2 L2 F D2 R2 F2 D B D' R F' U' F D L2 U2
4. 54.67 U' R2 F2 R2 F2 U F2 D2 R2 U F2 L U2 L2 R' B U L2 B2 L F
5. 54.52 R L' F2 B R2 U' L B2 R' L2 U B2 U D2 F2 U' D2 R2
6. 47.71 F L F' B U2 D' L2 D' B2 U2 L B2 R D2 R2 B2 U2 F2 R'
7. 39.31 B U2 R2 B2 D2 L2 F' L2 R2 U2 R2 U' L D2 F' R' B2 D B R2 F'
8. 48.48 D B2 U' L2 U' L2 F2 D B2 R U' L2 F' L D B' U' R2 B' D2
9. 1:13.91 L B2 L D2 L2 F2 D2 U2 R U2 R D B' R D L' R B D2 L' (this was a great solve until I realised I had blue center where red was supposed to be :fp
10. 39.26 U2 B2 D2 R' U2 R2 D2 L' F2 L2 R' U' F' R' U L' B' F' R B
11. 48.58 F U2 B2 U2 L2 R2 F' U2 F R2 F' R' F R' B' D' L U L F2 U2
12. 51.59 L U' D2 L U R' B U' R U2 R2 L2 F' R2 F B U2 D2 R2

I will leave you alone untill you are about to catch up.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Ok. Newest PB Ao12 with Roux: 48.35
49.25, 50.47, 46.67, (56.02), 55.26, 41.94, 45.06, 42.15, (39.40), 52.36, 50.84, 49.46

(Also Ao5 43.05 in there.)

 

[MarcelP]

I made a video just to be sure if I do it okay:

So besides block building (because I have zero skills on that part so far) are these correct Roux solves?

Scramble 1: U L2 B2 R2 B2 D' B2 D2 B2 U L2 F' L B2 U R' L2 D2 F2 R2 F'
Scramble 2: B2 D' R2 U2 L2 U' F2 D U2 B2 U2 B' L U2 F2 R' D F R2 D2 B2

[video=youtube_share;V2GIORKQrB0]http://youtu.be/V2GIORKQrB0[/video]

 

[MarcelP]

Newest PB with Roux:

average of 12: 58.33
1-12 - 55.90 (38.79) 1:02.49 1:17.49 (1:36.66) 56.69 53.17 52.86 1:01.91 52.92 52.81 57.02

I don't think it will be my main speed method, but I really do think Roux is fun. Now further with my boring OLL practice..

 

[BenVdd]

man i'm still so jealous of your singles PB

 

[MarcelP]

Nah, you will brake it soon enough let me enjoy that advantage for a little while

 

[MarcelP]

Pffffff.. few days training OLL's and now I know 17 out of 57. Man that is though...This is really boring stuff.. and..now I start to mix up OLL's (and mess up solves) so my times will go upwards before they improve again I guess.

 

[Schmidt]

I printed the OLL algs from kungfoomanchu. Then I learned the eazy ones, then some groups ( "L" shapes, "P" shapes) and the hard ones last (Line with 2 lines on the sides and Dot with 2 lines on the sides) When I had solved the cases I had learned in a real solve "x" amount of times, I made a check-mark on the alg sheet indicating that it was stored in memory.

I guess you will have many moments of "Is this the case I know or was it that other one" and "Hmm, were those two pieces supposed to be here or in the back"

 

[MarcelP]

I guess you will have many moments of "Is this the case I know or was it that other one" and "Hmm, were those two pieces supposed to be here or in the back"

Yes, that is the biggest problem. For example, the lightning bolt cases. There are 4 of them.. Oh man... how do you distinct them when going at full speed solves. LOL. I think I will stick with the ones that I have learned in the last few days (10 algs) and do another batch in a few weeks.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Before going full speed solves.. slowwwww down.

Right now I have learned a new PLL and I am slooowwwing down so I can recognize it. You can in fact see the PLL case coming when you are doing the last F2L pair, I bet it is the same for OLL

 

[MarcelP]

PLL from the last F2L pair? No, you must be mistaken. That would mean that you know the complete solution of the LL after finishing the last pair. I believe that is one out of 1400 algs. LOL You can preserve correct oriented edges or corners with the last pair to get an easy OLL case. I do not master that technique though..

 

[cubingawsumness]

You can preserve correct oriented edges or corners with the last pair to get an easy OLL case. I do not master that technique though..

And this is why I am thinking about switching to ZZ. 57 OLLs is just a little much for me. And so far, ZZ is fun!

I've been mostly following this thread, (although I haven't posted much) and your progress is awesome! One day, you'll be one of the "fast people".
Good luck and have fun cubing.

 

[moralsh]

And this is why I am thinking about switching to ZZ. 57 OLLs is just a little much for me. And so far, ZZ is fun!

I've been mostly following this thread, (although I haven't posted much) and your progress is awesome! One day, you'll be one of the "fast people".
Good luck and have fun cubing.

Not saying that ZZ is not fun, it sure is, but the "57 OLLs are too many" is a mith, 17 of them are mirrors of another one so that leaves it in 40 and if you want to narrow it a bit more, there are some inverses also.

(I don't know full OLL, BTW )

 

[MarcelP]

but the "57 OLLs are too many" is a mith, 17 of them are mirrors of another one so that leaves it in 40 and if you want to narrow it a bit more, there are some inverses also.

(I don't know full OLL, BTW )

Myth or not. For me mirror and inverse are equally hard to learn as single cases. I have big problems mixing them up..

 

[Schmidt]

I'm lazy! I do all mirrored cases with my left hand. Also PLL ( R, J, A...) I can do T and Y with my left hand ( good for Megaminx)

 

[sneaklyfox]

Myth or not. For me mirror and inverse are equally hard to learn as single cases. I have big problems mixing them up..

I find that it's easy to remember OLLs and mirror cases by looking at the "direction" of the shapes. It's hard for me to explain. Take this one for example:

R' F R U R' U' F' U R

(Do the algorithm backwards to see which OLL I mean.) Its mirror would be L F' L' U' L U F U' L'. You remember which is which because the first move goes along the direction of the shape. It is like that for a lot of the OLLs that I use.

 

[ThomasJE]

And this is why I am thinking about switching to ZZ. 57 OLLs is just a little much for me. And so far, ZZ is fun!

That's one of the reasons I switched as well. Also, ZZF2L is flexible. You can do it CFOP style (like I do), or true blockbuilding (like I want to do ). ZZLL is also flexible. There's no set way to do ZZ, and that's one of the best things about it.

 

[MarcelP]

I find that it's easy to remember OLLs and mirror cases by looking at the "direction" of the shapes.

Yes, I understand. That's the way I remember most of them. Last few days I have not managed to learn one new OLL. Believe me I have tried... the more difficult cases are though to remember.

That's one of the reasons I switched as well. Also, ZZF2L is flexible. You can do it CFOP style (like I do), or true blockbuilding (like I want to do ). ZZLL is also flexible. There's no set way to do ZZ, and that's one of the best things about it.

I like both ZZ and Roux. But since there are more fast Roux-ers I will give Rouz a first serious try.

 

[MeshuggahX]

If I were you I wouldn't rush with the OLL's. Take them slow instead. I don't think full OLL will do that much of a difference. I know about 30 of the algs, but I don't feel that I would have a big advantage in my times by knowing the rest of them.

 

[MarcelP]

Thanks, I will take that advise. If i feel like I am loosing my speed since I am practicing olls only.