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[JanW]

Which are the pairs that mess up your solves, easy or hard?

Not sure if I understand exactly what you mean. Since we are talking memo, no pairs should be messing up my solves, but those that are harder to find a word for slow the solves down. I haven't kept any statistics over particular pairs that mess up my solves during execution, but there are a couple of usual suspects. Two types of edge cycles I often shoot in the wrong direction. And since I still work out all the cycles on the fly, a few edge cycles that are a bit tricky and slow me down quite a bit. I really should learn proper algs for those. Corner comms are pretty solid, most mistakes are in edges.

 

[mark49152]

Not sure if I understand exactly what you mean.

I was just questioning the logic of leaving the hard pairs until the end, when those are the ones that slow you down. Sure, in my sheet I have filled out CT cat and DG dog, but only because I feel instinctively compelled to make the sheet complete . I never looked at those cells again. The ones that offer potential improvement to your solves and are worth the time to note down, search for images for, and study with Anki etc. are the difficult ones. So IMHO those are logically a higher priority.

 

[mitja]

I was just questioning the logic of leaving the hard pairs until the end, when those are the ones that slow you down. Sure, in my sheet I have filled out CT cat and DG dog, but only because I feel instinctively compelled to make the sheet complete . I never looked at those cells again. The ones that offer potential improvement to your solves and are worth the time to note down, search for images for, and study with Anki etc. are the difficult ones. So IMHO those are logically a higher priority.

It is hard for me to join the images discussion as I don't do them in English. My list would not fit. But, I have some questions that interest me. Do you use any strict procedure for putting images in the rooms. Like the sequence people-action-object, is it always in the same order? Is it a 3 letter pair package? My problem is that I try to use the strict procedure, but then i come to a letter pair that would fit better with object then action. Then I adjust but my pattern gets different. Do you have any recomendation?
Also, because i am quite new to 3-4BLD i still try to decide the approach, particulary with languages. I was thinking to use more then one language. Centres-corners-wings would be slovenian-english-slovenian or serbian-slovenian-english. I can play with words in different languages( grammar would't be that good). Serbian is known in our area as the best language for comic books using many colourfull words.
But for speed I rather use my own language.

 

[JanW]

I was just questioning the logic of leaving the hard pairs until the end, when those are the ones that slow you down. Sure, in my sheet I have filled out CT cat and DG dog, but only because I feel instinctively compelled to make the sheet complete . I never looked at those cells again. The ones that offer potential improvement to your solves and are worth the time to note down, search for images for, and study with Anki etc. are the difficult ones. So IMHO those are logically a higher priority.

Logically that would be the case. But since I've already tried that approach several times, and every time I find I lose interest in bld, I want to try the alternative approach. It does not necessarily mean the hard pairs are left to the end. I might very well come up with some good ideas to those on the fly. I do feel I come up with better images during solves than if I think of a specific letter pair in isolation. I guess this is because during a solve the letter pair is usually put in some context, as I try to make a connection between the letter pairs. Thinking of a letter pair in a given context or in relation to some other place/person/thing fuels the imagination.

 

[mark49152]

Do you use any strict procedure for putting images in the rooms. Like the sequence people-action-object, is it always in the same order? Is it a 3 letter pair package?

I tried a strict structure and it didn't work for me. As you said, the image sequence doesn't always fit naturally into a predetermined structure.

I use 5 images per scene and just concoct whatever story/scene fits the images best. There are some rules I try to follow when I see that I'm likely to recall some pairs out of order. For example, AD CP SU might be Adam gives a cup to Sue. Or AD SU CP might be Adam gives Sue a cup. So if I picture that scene, I could recall it either way and make a mistake. So I have a rule where if the object occurs as the middle pair it is given, and if after the people it is shown. So for AD CP SU Adam stands opposite Sue and hands her a cup. For AD SU CP Adam shows Sue a cup - both stand together the same side of the cup and Adam points at it.

I use many small rules and patterns like that to help with accurate recall.

 

[mitja]

I tried a strict structure and it didn't work for me. As you said, the image sequence doesn't always fit naturally into a predetermined structure.

I use 5 images per scene and just concoct whatever story/scene fits the images best. There are some rules I try to follow when I see that I'm likely to recall some pairs out of order. For example, AD CP SU might be Adam gives a cup to Sue. Or AD SU CP might be Adam gives Sue a cup. So if I picture that scene, I could recall it either way and make a mistake. So I have a rule where if the object occurs as the middle pair it is given, and if after the people it is shown. So for AD CP SU Adam stands opposite Sue and hands her a cup. For AD SU CP Adam shows Sue a cup - both stand together the same side of the cup and Adam points at it.

I use many small rules and patterns like that to help with accurate recall.

Thanks, this sounds very logical, i will try it.

 

[h2f]

@mitja, just try if mixing languages works for you. Many blinders do this. The main factor is if it made strong image.

Looking at your first question. It's up of what bld event I do. In 3bld I try to connect all images in one long sentence. It may be build of two sentences but I try to connect them.

 

[newtonbase]

I'm still quite fluid in how many words I use per location but there are at least three. Adjectives always come before nouns. First words are always on top or to the left if what follows.
AD CP SU would have Adam on the left of the cup and Sue on the right. I might have Adam holding a cup with a picture of Sue on it. AD SU CP would have Adam pushing Sue into a cup.

 

[newtonbase]

This just happened. Finally.

 

[h2f]

@newtonbase, congrats!

 

[mitja]

@newtonbase
yeah!

 

[mark49152]

Congrats Mark! Well done

 

[pglewis]

I'm having absolutely no problems assigning images to my pairs right now... but that's only because I'm skipping memo and just jotting it down . Tracing is my primary focus but execution needs to be shored-up after the hiatus so I'm doing those two without memo practice for as long as it takes.

Congrats @newtonbase, is that "achievement unlocked"? I sort of assumed you've had a 4bld success in the past and were getting back into it.

 

[newtonbase]

Congrats @newtonbase, is that "achievement unlocked"? I sort of assumed you've had a 4bld success in the past and were getting back into it.

This is my very first time and has taken too long to happen. Plenty more work to do on it.

 

[openseas]

@newtonbase / Congrats! Super!!!

 

[muchacho]

Congrats @newtonbase

OH PB single: 16.944 (was 17.806 from 6 weeks ago)

Spoiler

10601 02-feb-2018 10:40:38 00:16.944 U B2 D' L2 B2 U F2 D R2 D2 U2 L' B' R2 U2 B R' B2 D B
x2 y
Lw' Uw2 L' U L M2 Lw' U' Lw' z2
U Lw U Lw2 M' U2 M2 U2 Lw U Lw' M U' M2 U2 Lw' U' Lw
M' U2 M' U2 M U M' U2 M U2 M' U M2 U' M U2 M'
44 STM
2.60 TPS

edit: Also Mo100 PB: 26.190 (was 26.523 from a week ago)

Spoiler

10685 02-feb-2018 16:43:15 00:28.742 B2 D2 L2 U' R2 U' B2 U2 R2 B R2 F R' B' L U' F U R
10684 02-feb-2018 16:42:31 00:25.278 D2 U F2 R2 F2 U' R2 U B2 D L' U' R F' R' B' L' F' L' U2
10683 02-feb-2018 16:41:30 00:20.094 F2 L2 F2 D R2 D U L2 F2 U B' R' D' R' D2 B' R D' B2 D' U'
10682 02-feb-2018 16:40:45 00:26.063 U L2 U R2 D F2 D' L2 D' R2 F L2 B' D' F2 U' L2 B' U2 R U
10681 02-feb-2018 16:39:52 00:33.671 B2 L2 D' B2 D' L2 D' F2 U' B2 D' L' F R2 F U' B' R' B2 L' F U2
10680 02-feb-2018 16:39:09 00:20.022 B2 D2 R2 U' R2 L2 D F2 D2 R2 U2 R B D2 L B R D U' R2 B U2
10679 02-feb-2018 16:38:27 00:19.198 B2 D2 F2 D U2 L2 F2 U2 L2 U' B' F2 R' L' B' U L' D' L' B' U
10678 02-feb-2018 16:37:41 00:25.167 R2 B2 L2 D U B2 U L2 B2 F2 D2 L' D B2 L2 B D' F' R' B' F'
10677 02-feb-2018 16:36:52 00:26.175 L2 U2 F2 D' B2 U' F2 R2 B2 U B D2 L2 U2 L' D' U2 L2 F L D2
10676 02-feb-2018 16:36:03 00:28.999 L2 F2 L2 B2 D2 F2 U' L2 F2 U B2 L D' B D' F' L2 U2 B2 R' D U'
10675 02-feb-2018 16:35:13 00:30.487 D' F2 U2 L2 U R2 U2 B2 L2 B2 U L U B2 U' L2 B' R L' U B2 L'
10674 02-feb-2018 16:34:24 00:24.895 L2 U2 L2 F2 U B2 U2 B2 U' L' B R L B2 D' R B U' L2
10673 02-feb-2018 16:33:43 00:22.998 B2 R2 D B2 F2 U R2 U' R2 L2 D2 L' U2 R' D' L2 F U' L U B'
10672 02-feb-2018 16:33:03 00:21.559 F2 D F2 D' R2 L2 B2 L2 U R2 U2 L F' D' F' R2 B2 U L B F
10671 02-feb-2018 16:31:39 00:23.581 D2 B2 L2 F2 R2 D U' R2 D B2 R2 B D' U2 F U R' D F R2 D2
10670 02-feb-2018 16:30:52 00:27.486 R2 U2 R2 D' B2 D' U2 F2 D L2 U2 R D' U L' B F2 U' R2 D' F D
10669 02-feb-2018 16:30:09 00:23.662 B2 F2 D' R2 B2 D' U2 F2 R2 L2 U' L' B' U2 L' U2 F2 R' U2 F D U'
10668 02-feb-2018 16:29:26 00:22.303 F2 R2 U' R2 D' F2 R2 U2 R2 U2 B2 L' F' R' D R2 U2 L F' R L2
10667 02-feb-2018 16:28:36 00:30.558 R2 D U2 B2 R2 B2 F2 U2 B2 L2 U' R B2 F' U2 R F U R' B L2 U
10666 02-feb-2018 16:27:43 00:29.806 U2 R2 D B2 U' F2 D' R2 U2 F2 U L D' U2 L' B' L' F' D' U' L'
10665 02-feb-2018 16:26:57 00:27.134 U' F2 U R2 D' R2 U' F2 D R2 U2 L U' B L' D R2 U' F2 D' L
10664 02-feb-2018 16:26:10 00:29.678 B2 R2 F2 D B2 R2 D' U2 L2 F2 D' B' R2 B' R' D' U' R' F D2 R'
10663 02-feb-2018 16:25:23 00:26.406 R2 U' L2 U L2 U2 F2 L2 B2 U2 F2 L F U2 F' R D' F' L' B L' U2
10662 02-feb-2018 16:24:39 00:22.886 F2 U F2 U' F2 R2 D2 F2 U R2 D L' U' F U' B D' F2 L U' B U2
10661 02-feb-2018 16:23:51 00:30.158 B2 U2 R2 B2 U L2 D' F2 D' L2 D2 B U2 F2 U2 R2 U R B2 L' D'
10660 02-feb-2018 16:23:05 00:26.855 D R2 U' R2 L2 F2 D' L2 F2 D2 F2 R' F' D2 U2 R' D F' U B2 L D'
10659 02-feb-2018 16:22:23 00:27.078 D' B2 R2 U2 R2 F2 L2 D L2 D' R2 B' L U' L' D L2 F R F
10658 02-feb-2018 16:21:34 00:29.006 L2 B2 L2 U' F2 D R2 U2 R2 F2 L2 F' D R L2 F D R2 L' F' L' U'
10657 02-feb-2018 16:20:50 00:25.822 L2 U2 B2 U' R2 D2 B2 R2 D R2 U B U' L D' B' F' R2 L F2 U2
10656 02-feb-2018 16:20:04 00:27.486 U' B2 U' R2 F2 L2 F2 D' B2 U B2 L B2 R2 L' B' R2 D' B' L2 D U'
10655 02-feb-2018 16:19:18 00:26.671 L2 B2 D F2 U' F2 L2 B2 F2 U F2 R' F2 U' B D F D B2 F2 L U
10654 02-feb-2018 16:18:22 00:34.661 D B2 D2 L2 D F2 D2 F' D' L2 U2 B F R' F2 R'
10653 02-feb-2018 16:14:06 00:24.286 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 L2 U2 B2 D' F R2 U' L D' B R' F D2 U
10652 02-feb-2018 16:13:15 00:29.597 U2 B2 L2 U R2 U' L2 D2 R2 L2 U' F R2 D' F' R' F' L2 B' F2 R D'
10651 02-feb-2018 16:12:21 00:29.302 F2 D2 L2 F2 U B2 D2 L2 D' B2 R F2 L2 F R2 L' D' L2 F' U'
10650 02-feb-2018 16:11:31 00:23.983 D' F2 U2 R2 B2 F2 D2 L2 B2 U' L2 F L B2 D F U' L D' R2
10649 02-feb-2018 16:10:44 00:22.408 D R2 F2 D2 U B2 D' F2 R2 F2 U2 R' U' B' R' B' D2 R2 B' R F2 U2
10648 02-feb-2018 16:09:58 00:27.165 R2 F2 D F2 D2 R2 B2 U' F2 D F' L' B D U2 F U B2 F2
10647 02-feb-2018 16:09:11 00:27.462 U' L2 D' F2 D' F2 R2 B2 L2 F2 U2 R' B' D2 U F2 R F2 D' U2 R U2
10646 02-feb-2018 16:08:21 00:24.167 R2 D2 R2 L2 U' L2 D2 B2 L2 D L B U2 L2 B2 D' B' R' F' D'
10645 02-feb-2018 16:07:36 00:24.254 R2 D L2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 R2 U' R2 B R B U' R D B F' L' U'
10644 02-feb-2018 16:06:53 00:24.102 R2 D' L2 F2 D R2 U B2 D' F2 U2 F L F D2 R2 F' D U2 B' R U'
10643 02-feb-2018 16:05:58 00:30.030 R2 L2 U2 L2 D' L2 F2 U' B2 D B2 R D L' B2 R2 B D' F2 U' R2 U
10642 02-feb-2018 16:05:11 00:21.079 L2 D' F2 D R2 F2 U2 L2 U' R2 U B R L2 U2 B2 F' R' F R2 D' U
10641 02-feb-2018 16:03:47 00:21.686 D2 R2 B2 F2 D' U' F2 L2 U R2 U F' L D' R F2 L U' F L2 D
10640 02-feb-2018 16:03:00 00:24.103 F2 U R2 B2 D' R2 U2 F2 L2 F2 L2 B' D' F2 R' U B2 F' U' L'
10639 02-feb-2018 16:02:09 00:34.046 R2 B2 U' B2 L2 D B2 D2 F2 U' L F D B' U F D F' U2 R B U2
10638 02-feb-2018 16:01:18 00:24.470 D' U2 F2 R2 B2 F2 U2 L2 U R2 U' B' R' F' D' L' D2 F L2 D2 B' D2
10637 02-feb-2018 16:00:31 00:30.463 R2 L2 U' L2 U2 F2 D' F2 R2 B2 L2 F' R' F2 U' F' D2 B' F2 U' R'
10636 02-feb-2018 15:59:47 00:23.287 B2 R2 B2 L2 U2 L2 D B2 R2 L2 U L' D' B' U' R' F' D' L' B2 D U2
10635 02-feb-2018 15:58:21 00:26.445 D F2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 F2 D F2 D F' L B R2 D2 R' D2 U' B2 R U
10634 02-feb-2018 15:57:38 00:26.222 R2 D F2 U2 L2 U' F2 R2 U2 F2 U' B D B D2 L2 F' L B' U' F'
10633 02-feb-2018 15:56:37 00:40.256 R2 D F2 D2 L2 D' B2 R2 B2 F2 D' F B2 L' B2 R U R2 F' L' B2 U'
10632 02-feb-2018 15:55:53 00:23.543 F2 D' U2 F2 U B2 R2 U B2 F2 U F' U' R' B' F L' U2 F' L D2 L
10631 02-feb-2018 15:55:05 00:23.832 U2 B2 L2 D2 B2 D' F2 U F2 U2 L2 B' U' B' D L B' D F2 R' F
10630 02-feb-2018 15:54:15 00:28.775 F2 D' R2 F2 U2 L2 B2 U' R2 F2 D2 R' U2 L D' L2 D' B' D2 F' R2
10629 02-feb-2018 15:53:27 00:28.270 L2 F2 D' L2 D R2 L2 F2 U' F2 D L B' D F R' B2 F' D2 U F'
10628 02-feb-2018 15:52:39 00:27.102 D' L2 D2 L2 D' F2 D L2 D' L2 U2 R' F' L' F2 D' B2 L' B' F' R
10627 02-feb-2018 15:51:50 00:30.550 R2 D2 L2 D B2 U2 L2 U B2 L' B' F2 D' L' B D2 R' B2 U2 L2
10626 02-feb-2018 15:51:00 00:30.966 R2 U2 B2 U L2 B2 U L2 B2 U2 R' D' L U' F R2 F L2 D' L2
10625 02-feb-2018 15:50:15 00:24.263 D' B2 U F2 U F2 R2 L2 U' B L' D2 R' B D R' B F D' U'
10624 02-feb-2018 15:49:37 00:21.807 L2 U B2 U2 B2 R2 D L2 U' B2 U B L2 D U R' F U' L' B D' B2
10623 02-feb-2018 15:48:56 00:18.247 D' U2 R2 U R2 B2 L2 U' L2 F2 U' L B2 F' R2 D F' D2 B' R' D
10622 02-feb-2018 15:48:12 00:25.750 R2 F2 U' R2 F2 L2 B2 L2 U L2 U2 F' L2 D' U R B2 L2 U' B2
10621 02-feb-2018 15:47:20 00:31.430 F2 D F2 R2 D' L2 U B2 D' F2 U2 F' R B2 U2 B2 U2 B U2
10620 02-feb-2018 15:46:31 00:27.214 F2 L2 U2 L2 U' R2 U B2 U' B2 R2 F' L' B D2 B' L' F D B R' U'
10619 02-feb-2018 15:45:51 00:22.207 R2 L2 D' F2 D R2 D2 R2 L2 B2 L2 F D F2 R' F2 D2 R B' F R2
10618 02-feb-2018 15:44:59 00:26.735 D U R2 D2 L2 D' F2 U L2 F2 L B' R' B2 D' F2 D' U' R U2
10617 02-feb-2018 15:44:13 00:30.390 U L2 U2 R2 D R2 U R2 F2 D' U' B U R2 L F' D' R D' U2 L U
10616 02-feb-2018 15:43:33 00:24.064 D' R2 L2 U' L2 D' F2 U2 B2 L2 F' U2 F2 R' D' L B2 R D2 R D
10615 02-feb-2018 15:42:49 00:24.663 U2 R2 D' F2 L2 D' R2 D' L2 B2 D2 F' L' F R F' L' B2 F2 L' D'
10614 02-feb-2018 15:42:00 00:27.573 D' R2 U F2 U L2 D2 B2 F2 U' B2 L' B U2 F R' D2 F2 L2 D B2
10613 02-feb-2018 15:41:02 00:38.144 R2 F2 U F2 D' U B2 R2 U' B2 D B R' B2 F L D' B R U2 F2 U2
10612 02-feb-2018 11:18:33 00:26.182 D B2 U' F2 U' L2 B2 U F2 D R2 B' R' D L' U' R2 D' B F2 L2 U'
10611 02-feb-2018 11:17:43 00:28.542 D L2 U2 R2 D F2 D2 U' F2 L2 U F' D B2 R U' F' D' L B2 F' U'
10610 02-feb-2018 11:16:59 00:23.525 L2 F2 U' R2 B2 D2 U' B2 D2 B2 L2 B R' U' L U' B2 F R F2 U2
10609 02-feb-2018 11:16:08 00:33.445 R2 L2 D' L2 F2 U2 R2 D' F2 D' U2 B L' U' R' F' D L' B2 F2 L U2
10608 02-feb-2018 11:14:24 00:25.254 B2 D' R2 U' L2 U L2 D L2 U R2 B' R' F' U' B L D U B L' D
10607 02-feb-2018 11:13:43 00:24.943 F2 U' L2 B2 R2 D R2 U F2 D F' L2 B L' U R' D' U2 B2 L'
10606 02-feb-2018 11:13:01 00:18.799 D R2 U R2 U' F2 D' U2 L2 U F2 R' F D U' B L2 D' R' F' R2
10605 02-feb-2018 11:11:16 00:25.567 L2 D2 F2 L2 U L2 D U L2 F2 U F D' L2 D R' D2 B2 R' D U
10604 02-feb-2018 11:10:34 00:23.287 U' R2 D' F2 D R2 U' L2 U R2 B2 R' U' R2 B' L2 F L B' R B U'
10603 02-feb-2018 11:09:46 00:25.927 U L2 U2 L2 U' F2 D R2 B2 U' F2 L' D' F R' B2 R' D U B2 F L'
10602 02-feb-2018 11:08:54 00:24.455 L2 B2 U B2 D' U' B2 D' F2 R2 B2 L' F R' D2 L' U' F U2 B2 L2
10601 02-feb-2018 10:40:38 00:16.944 U B2 D' L2 B2 U F2 D R2 D2 U2 L' B' R2 U2 B R' B2 D B
10600 01-feb-2018 11:15:49 00:27.887 F2 U' B2 D B2 U' R2 B2 D R2 F2 L' B R B2 D F' D2 L2 B L' U
10599 01-feb-2018 11:15:07 00:20.231 F2 R2 D2 R2 F2 D' B2 L2 U' F2 L2 F' D2 B R B' U L2 D' L' B'
10598 01-feb-2018 11:14:15 00:26.262 U' B2 U' F2 D' B2 R2 F2 D2 F2 U B F2 L2 D U B F2 R' F U' L
10597 01-feb-2018 11:13:30 00:27.026 U' F2 R2 D F2 U' B2 U' B2 R2 D2 L D' B' U' F' R B R' D' L D2
10596 01-feb-2018 11:12:44 00:22.928 U L2 D U2 R2 L2 F2 R2 D' L2 U' F R B' L F' R' U L' U2 L'
10595 01-feb-2018 11:11:50 00:32.062 L2 U' R2 D' R2 U F2 U' L2 F2 D F' U2 R' L2 F U F U' F2 D L'
10594 01-feb-2018 11:10:57 00:26.384 B2 L2 D' R2 B2 R2 L2 D' B2 D' B2 L' F' D2 L2 D' L B L' U' B U'
10593 01-feb-2018 11:10:06 00:27.295 R2 B2 L2 D F2 D2 F2 U L2 B' R D' L' U R L U F2 U'
10592 01-feb-2018 11:09:30 00:20.287 D' L2 F2 L2 U2 R2 F2 D' F2 D2 F2 R' F2 R2 F' U2 L2 D B2 R L' U'
10591 01-feb-2018 11:08:37 00:27.487 U L2 F2 L2 F2 U B2 U' F2 D L' B2 R' D2 F' D' B D L2 U2
10590 01-feb-2018 11:07:48 00:25.903 L2 B2 F2 D' L2 D2 R2 D B2 D' U2 B' R U2 L B R' D2 F' L' D' U2
10589 01-feb-2018 11:07:00 00:26.247 D2 F2 D F2 R2 U F2 L2 B2 R2 U' L' B' L' U2 R2 F R' B R2
10588 01-feb-2018 11:06:13 00:27.406 D' F2 U' L2 B2 U2 R2 F2 D2 F2 U' L F' U' F R F D' U F' L U'
10587 01-feb-2018 11:05:29 00:21.775 U2 F2 U B2 F2 L2 U B2 D' F2 U' B R2 U L2 F2 D' L' U B F2
10586 01-feb-2018 11:04:44 00:24.063 L2 U R2 D' R2 B2 U F2 D U2 L2 B R' D U R' B' F2 L' U2 R

 

[JanW]

Generated By csTimer on 2018-2-2
single: 11.98

Time List:
1. 11.98 R' D2 B U F' U R2 F' R D2 F2 R2 F2 R2 D B2 D2 L2 F2 L2

PB single with complete LL skip. Overall it felt like a not very good solve, probably made some extra moves at some point which makes reconstruction close to impossible. I'm confident I can beat this soon with a better solve and just a PLL skip.

 

[Selkie]

Awesome work, congratulations @newtonbase

 

[SpartanSailor]

@newtonbase FANTASTIC! Congratulations

 

[pglewis]

The timing is perfect to shift the focus to blind solving, my sighted solves are over the hump at this point. I did a rare Ao50 last week, under 28 for the first time and I expect it to be a second+ faster in another month of normal practice.

I threw out 3 botched solves from a short session last night just to get an idea of where my time distribution trend is since I'm more interested in that than my general average. Definitely seeing exactly what I was hoping to see, nearly a bell curve around :23 and then a pile just under :30, which is mostly still due to slow OLL recog and AUF. Those used to be ~33 and should continue to move on their own with normal practice. Could be 2 months, could be next week, but I'm right at the brink of my next breakthrough.