Older cubers discussions

[pglewis]

The only real issue anyone had with the v1 was the occasional corner twist. They did fix that in the v2 but made it too catchy and the balance just isn't right.

I was about to edit and post the exact same thing. I've personally never had it corner twist during a solve, with thousands of solves on the pair... keeping in mind that at my speed I'm probably set to a little tighter tensions than others.

 

[Lid]

Finally ... a pure sub20 avg 12 on Sq-1 ...
17.198, 17.116[p], (19.884), 19.310[p], 13.876, 18.635, 17.990, 17.791, 15.852, 18.377[p], 17.629, (13.669) = 17.377 (not PB)

Last one was a relief ...
2,-3/-4,0/1,0/-2,0/-1,-2/-3,0/ || CS
1,6/ || CO
6,0/3,0/3,0/-1,-1/-3,0/-3,0/ || EO
1,0/-3,-3/6,0/3,3/2,-2 || PBL

Spoiler: Times & Scambles

Average of 12: 17.377
1. 17.198 (0, 5) / (3, -3) / (0, -3) / (-2, -2) / (0, -3) / (2, -3) / (6, -3) / (-3, -5) / (6, -1) / (4, 0) / (-1, 0) / (-4, 0)
2. 17.116[p] (0, 5) / (-5, 4) / (5, -1) / (1, -2) / (-1, -4) / (0, -2) / (0, -3) / (6, -3) / (-4, 0) / (0, -4) / (0, -2) / (-3, -4)
3. (19.884) (0, 2) / (4, -2) / (-3, 0) / (5, -4) / (0, -2) / (3, 0) / (1, 0) / (-4, 0) / (-4, 0) / (3, 0) / (2, 0) / (-2, -1) /
4. 19.310[p] (0, 2) / (4, -5) / (5, -1) / (0, -3) / (-3, -3) / (6, -2) / (3, 0) / (1, -4) / (-2, 0) / (0, -4) / (2, -3) / (-4, -3)
5. 13.876 (0, -1) / (-5, -2) / (5, -4) / (-5, -2) / (0, -3) / (-4, -3) / (-3, 0) / (0, -1) / (0, -5) / (3, 0) /
6. 18.635 (4, 0) / (-1, -1) / (-5, -2) / (-3, 0) / (6, 0) / (-1, 0) / (0, -3) / (0, -1) / (-2, 0) / (2, -4) / (4, 0) / (-2, -1) /
7. 17.990 (0, 5) / (3, 0) / (-3, 0) / (0, -3) / (4, -5) / (3, 0) / (-3, 0) / (2, 0) / (-3, 0) / (0, -3) / (0, -3) / (-2, 0) / (-4, 0) / (4, 0) / (-2, 0)
8. 17.791 (-3, 2) / (-3, 0) / (4, -5) / (-1, -4) / (0, -5) / (-3, -3) / (0, -3) / (0, -4) / (4, 0) / (-3, -2) / (6, -5) / (-4, 0) /
9. 15.852 (0, -1) / (1, 4) / (-3, 0) / (3, 0) / (5, -1) / (0, -3) / (4, 0) / (-3, -3) / (-5, 0) / (-2, 0) / (2, 0) / (-4, 0) / (-4, 0) / (-2, 0)
10. 18.377[p] (6, 5) / (3, 0) / (1, -5) / (-3, 0) / (3, 0) / (-3, -4) / (-3, 0) / (-1, 0) / (2, -3) / (4, 0) / (6, -2) / (2, 0) /
11. 17.629 (-5, 0) / (0, 3) / (0, -3) / (5, -4) / (-5, -5) / (3, 0) / (0, -1) / (-3, -3) / (3, 0) / (2, 0) / (6, -2) /
12. (13.669) (0, 5) / (-2, 4) / (-1, -4) / (4, -5) / (3, -4) / (-3, 0) / (-1, 0) / (2, 0) / (4, -5) / (2, -2) / (-2, -3) / (6, 0)

 

[newtonbase]

I was about to edit and post the exact same thing. I've personally never had it corner twist during a solve, with thousands of solves on the pair... keeping in mind that at my speed I'm probably set to a little tighter tensions than others.

I don't get twists either, unless I let the kids play with them.

 

[kbrune]

http://www.zcube.vip/Brand/qiyi/QYmfg-333-Thunderbolt

$4.10 Canadian plus shipping, for 6+ units.

@h2f, how is the 6BLD going?

it shows a pound symbol next to the price. Are you sure it was in Canadian dollars? Only reason i was going through Cubing out loud is because the delegate that runs comps here is the guy who runs the cube shop. I can pick up orders at comps no shipping charge. But if it ends up cheaper elsewhere. Tough to justify paying more!

Where does Zcube ship from? China?

 

[newtonbase]

Where does Zcube ship from? China?

Yes.

 

[mark49152]

it shows a pound symbol next to the price. Are you sure it was in Canadian dollars?

Yes. Currency selector in the top left on mobile. You have to sign in to see the bulk prices. They ship from Hong Kong. I avoid the cheapest shipping and go for ePacket which takes about a week to the UK. Shipping cost me almost as much as the cubes but that's because the cubes are so cheap

 

[pglewis]

@Selkie: great solves and love the victory fist on the mid-3. Employer attitudes are becoming alarming to me. Employers expect a level of dedication and devotion but don't seem to have much appreciation in return. I feel optimistic though, smart competent people are always needed.

 

[Selkie]

@mafergut - Dont ever, ever feel embarrassed Miguel. We all cube at our own pace and times and improvement comes mainly when when it is least expected. My official mean for 6x6, set this year is over 5 minutes! That first solve did flow well and got the luck of parities on my side. Cannot wait to open my presents on Monday morning as there will be a Qiyi to play with...

@Shaky Hands - How do you feel it compared to the Yuxin mate? To be fair my money is on the new Moyu 6x6 but I suspect I wont have that in time to break it in for Birmingham Open. The re-tensioning of the Yuxin has worked wonders and it feels like a completely different cube. Even when I get bad misalignments and various centers get mangled in different positions it does not pop now.

@kbrune - I completely agree with @h2f , @muchacho , @newtonbase , @pglewis . The v1 is far, far superior. I am a Qiyi man and most of my cubes are theirs given their excellent stickerless colouring. The v1 was clicky but smooth, the v2 has been completely over engineered, its clickiness is very extreme and I (amongst others) cannot get used to it at all. I have been trying to film a video for a month now. 6 sub 14 averages on 6 different Qiyi stickerless cubes in a day. I always get frustrated at the point I fail on the Thunderclap v2 and give up

@mark49152 - I will pick your brains re BLD my friend. My few sucesses a feww years ago were based on a Person/Object/Place memo system on a journey but since that is automatically x3 memories per location I had issues realising when I had parity. P/O/P is still a lot easier to populate and learn that letter pair. What would you recommend mate as a starting point for 3BLD to nail the memo better?

 

[Shaky Hands]

@Selkie I never really found the Yuxin 6x6 that pop-prone, but then again Joey borrowed that cube at Guildford and it popped for him in at least 2 of his 3 solves. I think his 3rd solve was sup-5m which is a very un-Joey time. May just be turning style.

I think the Qiyi just needs a lot of experimentation. It moves a lot better since retensioning. Maybe better than the Yuxin, still thinking over that. Difficult to compare a cube I know really well to one I've done only 30-40 solves on. Time will tell.

 

[mark49152]

My few sucesses a feww years ago were based on a Person/Object/Place memo system on a journey but since that is automatically x3 memories per location I had issues realising when I had parity. P/O/P is still a lot easier to populate and learn that letter pair. What would you recommend mate as a starting point for 3BLD to nail the memo better?

Were you using one letter per person, object and place? So three letters per scene? Yes that would make parity harder to spot, and it would also seem inefficient because you're memoing more images for fewer letters. You could continue to use POP if that works for you, but with a letter pair per person/object/place, so six letters per scene; but then you are learning three images per pair, and there are a lot of pairs. My suggestion would be to try regular letter pairs and see if you can make it work for you. It seems to be by far the most widely used approach.

 

[Selkie]

@pglewis - Thanks Phil, was really pleased with the single. Beginning to love the more time consuming events. 6x6, 7x7 and Megaminx. As for the job front I completely agree. The hardest thing now is the waiting game. I'm happy to move on in whatever direction that takes me.

@mark49152 - I wasn't using pairs so yes, 3 targets per location. Perhaps I should invest the time in a pair system but might need to stick to something I know for Brum Open.

@Shaky Hands - Andy, getting more intrigued by the minute on opening my presents on Monday.

 

[Selkie]

@Lid - Started on optimised Square-1 cube shape from your website. Any particular order you would recommend?

 

[Lid]

@Lid - Started on optimised Square-1 cube shape from your website. Any particular order you would recommend?

Not really, I think I took it by shape of one of the layers to begin with, other than that solves^3.
Now I can do more or less how I like, doesn't have to be the same way each time.
Start with everything that needs 2, 3 or 4 twists + the 7 one. And I don't use most the solutions on the page, just see it as a simple guide, do what feels best for you, everything depends on the starting state.
The best is to understand what you can do with a certain shape, for most shapes there isn't a "best way".

 

[mark49152]

I wasn't using pairs so yes, 3 targets per location. Perhaps I should invest the time in a pair system but might need to stick to something I know for Brum Open.

Depends how happy you are with your current system I guess. Building a good set of pair images that will enable you to get faster does take an investment of time. But getting started with pairs is easy and I'm guessing you could probably switch to using an image per pair rather than an image per letter with just an hour or two of practice, based on ad-hoc images, or at least test it out and see if it's worth trying.

 

[h2f]

The only real issue anyone had with the v1 was the occasional corner twist. They did fix that in the v2 but made it too catchy and the balance just isn't right.

I had so many twists with v2 that I gave up... No more v2.

@h2f, how is the 6BLD going?

Thanks for reminder. I've seen on yt my first attempt and realized that it was almost 2 months ago. I didnt expect I will have so big amount of work when I was doing it. Finally these times are done in next few weeks and I can back to the project of solving 6bld and practicing 4bld and 5bld. And last but not least - Poland Nationals in 3 weeks.

 

[h2f]

@mark49152 - I wasn't using pairs so yes, 3 targets per location. Perhaps I should invest the time in a pair system but might need to stick to something I know for Brum Open.

As Mark wrote - letter pairs is much better and efficient than a word per letter. I was using word per letter and very soon the memos became so boring - there's only 22 (or 21 if you use it for corners) letter/words. When you use letter pairs there's over 400 (I got 576) and you can arrange it in so many ways when creating images... There's no question letter pairs is much better technique.

 

[earth2dan]

Sorry to break topic. I just took a few seconds off my 5x5 PB and happened to be filming. Woo!

Edit: I have to agree with the general consensus on the Thunderclap V2. I bought it day one and it's awful, don't buy it. The V1 is better in every way.

 

[mark49152]

Nice solves @earth2dan, I watched your 4x4 too.

@h2f, I have been trying to learn 6BLD obliques but just cannot get it right. Blind, they are just rescrambled. Sighted, they are also rescrambled and I can't see why. This will take a while

 

[h2f]

Nice solves @earth2dan, I watched your 4x4 too.

@h2f, I have been trying to learn 6BLD obliques but just cannot get it right. Blind, they are just rescrambled. Sighted, they are also rescrambled and I can't see why. This will take a while

I know I knew how to solve them with U2 method but now I cant figure it out. I think next weekend I'll do a try. Now 4bld and 5bld.

I've made a vlog about you guys - just some words and I used a photo from UK Champs.

Edit: I've seen that Mark is cut on the miniphoto so I've rearranged it. Sorry Mark.

 

[mark49152]

I know I knew how to solve them with U2 method but now I cant figure it out. I think next weekend I'll do a try.

Yeah I'm also using U2. I expect that where I'm screwing up is not alternating the inner and outer slices correctly, especially after rotating.

I wish I could understand your vlog.