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Great comp -- too many posts to catch up on here! I just wanted to quickly ask: did anyone lose a stickerless 5x5? One showed up in my bag of cubes...

Hi there Mr Grub, yes that's 99% likely to be mine if it's a stickerless Yuxin. Thanks for letting me know.

I ordered a new 5x5 today, so no rush currently as I'll be trying to break in a new cube when it arrives and if that is good I'd be happy to wait for the next time I see you at a comp. Thanks for the offer of posting it; will drop you a message if new cube doesn't work out.

In the meantime ordering a new 5x5 has pushed forward my order for the Valk 3x3 and some Maru Lube, plus I can focus on other events in the meantime, so you may have done me a favour anyway.
 
Hi there Mr Grub, yes that's 99% likely to be mine if it's a stickerless Yuxin. Thanks for letting me know.

I ordered a new 5x5 today, so no rush currently as I'll be trying to break in a new cube when it arrives and if that is good I'd be happy to wait for the next time I see you at a comp. Thanks for the offer of posting it; will drop you a message if new cube doesn't work out.

In the meantime ordering a new 5x5 has pushed forward my order for the Valk 3x3 and some Maru Lube, plus I can focus on other events in the meantime, so you may have done me a favour anyway.

OK -- glad to hear it's not a disaster. Still, sorry for the mix-up. I guess I packed up too hastily when I left! I really won't mind posting it to you if you decide you want me to do so. Just let me know.
 
Now, a question for Mark (and anyone else with a view!)

As I said above, I'd like to aim to get a 3BLD mean in the next comp. I currently use OP for edges and corners, and I guess this is slowing me down, although my memo is still painfully slow as well. Rather than switching to M2, I'm wondering if I should just go the whole hog and learn 3-style. I am considering this in part because I figure it would also be useful for FMC, and I like the idea that it might also generally help my understanding of the cube, and maybe extend to big-BLD as well.

So, is this is a bad idea? Is it worth it? Do people use commutators for both edges and corners? Will it really save that much time compared with my super-slow memo (around 2 minutes, I think)?
 
Rather than switching to M2, I'm wondering if I should just go the whole hog and learn 3-style. I am considering this in part because I figure it would also be useful for FMC, and I like the idea that it might also generally help my understanding of the cube, and maybe extend to big-BLD as well.

So, is this is a bad idea? Is it worth it? Do people use commutators for both edges and corners? Will it really save that much time compared with my super-slow memo (around 2 minutes, I think)?

In my opinion - in the very long run it's worth learnign. But in the short time - no. I can tell you my story - I've learnt first comms 2 years ago when I was sub-3 min solver. I've started using corner comms around 2 minutes but a year ago I was still using OP for some corners. I was around 1:40 in that time. Now I'm using full comms and I'm still over 1 minute solver. The fast solves come from automatization of solving which is hard when you think about what you are doing.

And one more think. I dont think you can easily switch from OP for edges to 3style for edges. Most solver use UF as a buffer not UR like in OP. If you use M2 adding edge comms is very easy but in OP - I'm not sure. Many solvers before switching to 3style use Turbo or M2 because both methods are quite similiar to 3style. OP doesnt have such feature. If you want fasten your solves in a short term focus rather on memo not a method. Maybe it's just a lack of practice...
 
In my opinion - in the very long run it's worth learnign. But in the short time - no. I can tell you my story - I've learnt first comms 2 years ago when I was sub-3 min solver. I've started using corner comms around 2 minutes but a year ago I was still using OP for some corners. I was around 1:40 in that time. Now I'm using full comms and I'm still over 1 minute solver. The fast solves come from automatization of solving which is hard when you think about what you are doing.

And one more think. I dont think you can easily switch from OP for edges to 3style for edges. Most solver use UF as a buffer not UR like in OP. If you use M2 adding edge comms is very easy but in OP - I'm not sure. Many solvers before switching to 3style use Turbo or M2 because both methods are quite similiar to 3style. OP doesnt have such feature. If you want fasten your solves in a short term focus rather on memo not a method. Maybe it's just a lack of practice...

OK -- useful advice. Thank you! I wonder if I should switch to Turbo instead of M2, then? That was Maskow's advice in his recent reddit AMA... I'm willing to start again from scratch if need be, though, so I'm ok with jumping straight from OP to 3-style, if that's the best thing to do...
 
@bubbagrub: There are many different opinions on that question, so this is just my two cents.

Commutators are great and it is well worth knowing how they work, but the fact is, they require more thinking and that will slow down your BLD solves for a good while until you are very, very comfortable with them. I switched to corner comms about six months ago and it took most of that time to get back to the times I had with OP corners. It's a long term investment.

My view on edges is that M2 is a great stepping stone towards comms. The reason is that the M2 move, unlike a T-perm, is a typical interchange move for a comm. So when you execute two targets one of which is UB, you are already doing a comm without realising it. Several targets can be easily set up to UB to conjugate comms. The approach is often called "advanced M2" and it's a great way to learn about comms while still retaining the advantage of being able to fall back on mindlessly blasting through individual targets without thinking. Plus, even when executing targets individually, M2 is relatively move efficient, to the point where it would take a lot more effort to gain benefit from switching to edge comms because you really would need to reduce thinking time to almost zero.

Finally a comment about means. Means and singles are in conflict, as goals. Single PBs require taking some risks and accepting a few DNFs, and as long as I'm not disqualifying myself from the next round I'd rather have a fast DNF than a slow success. Aiming for a mean requires effectively accepting poor singles for a while... but it's nice when a mean comes along by accident like mine did yesterday :).

Edit: Regarding TuRBo, I have seen Maskow and some others recommend this, but IMHO it's not as good because it conjugates algs rather than a single interchange move like M2, so it is less efficient and not a good stepping stone to comms in the same way. The usual reason for recommending TuRBo is that it uses the UF buffer which some people say is better for transitioning to 3-style edges. However, DF isn't bad, and although I don't have much experience with edge comms, it looks to me that any advantage UF has is only marginal.
 
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Turbo or M2 it's a personal preference. The cases of Maskow or Kaijun proves that both can you lead to a good times.

@bubbagrub for corners you can go straight from OP to comms. For edges - I dont think so. OP doesnt teach you think in 3cycle terms. Instead of Turbo or M2. And that buffer thing...
 
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... That was Maskow's advice in his recent reddit AMA...

This bit of Maskow's AMA gave me a good chuckle:

Q: Any tips for one just starting MBLD?

A: Yep, don't do it. But seriously: MBLD needs to be practice regularly. Some people think that one attempt per week is enough. No, it isn't. In reality MBLD is probably the hardest and the most time consuming event to practice. And the most frustrating. IT's because in all other events, when you are better, it's becoming easier and easier and you do it faster and faster. Not here! In MBLD when you are better it becomes harder and harder, because you need to take more cubes, and it doesn't become faster, because you still needs to use one full hour. It's good event for masochists. If you are one - then you will be fine. Just practice regularly.
 
This bit of Maskow's AMA gave me a good chuckle:

Q: Any tips for one just starting MBLD?

A: Yep, don't do it. But seriously: MBLD needs to be practice regularly. Some people think that one attempt per week is enough. No, it isn't. In reality MBLD is probably the hardest and the most time consuming event to practice. And the most frustrating. IT's because in all other events, when you are better, it's becoming easier and easier and you do it faster and faster. Not here! In MBLD when you are better it becomes harder and harder, because you need to take more cubes, and it doesn't become faster, because you still needs to use one full hour. It's good event for masochists. If you are one - then you will be fine. Just practice regularly.

What a great synopsis of the event. Harsh but very, very fair :)

@mark49152 , @h2f - Great posts gents
 
Quite possibly my problem at UKC combined with general tiredness. Conclusion... care less and try to get more sleep!

BTW: What's the story behind LL Cool Skip and CLL Smooth? I've only just spotted that you post under two usernames. :)

It's not the sleep. Staying up till 1am then getting up and organizing taught me that. Caring on the other hand...

(Sorry, impostor here. I belong in the Teenage discussion thread :p)
 
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Congrats to all the UK folks, hope everyone enjoyed the congregation/competition.

I haven't been this jealous not to live there since my first taste of clotted cream.
 
Following @Logiqx's mini OH tutorial on Sunday I've been drilling pinky R/R'. There's already some obvious improvement but judging by the pain in my forearm I may be taking a day off it tomorrow.

My blind skills seem to have deserted me. Haven't had a success at all today. That's 3 bad days in a row. Must be lack of sleep .

Glad your cube turned up @Shaky Hands
 
Following @Logiqx's mini OH tutorial on Sunday I've been drilling pinky R/R'. There's already some obvious improvement but judging by the pain in my forearm I may be taking a day off it tomorrow.

My blind skills seem to have deserted me. Haven't had a success at all today. That's 3 bad days in a row. Must be lack of sleep .

Glad your cube turned up @Shaky Hands

Check that you are holding the cube right, that injury could be from not holding your wrist straight.

Also make sure your cube is loose enough. Far too easy to have to work too hard with your hand, and then wonder why your hand is bothering you :).
 
Oh man, I know if I compete long enough I'll have this happen or something similar. I'm grateful my comps did not start out like this it could've been really discouraging!

DNF average for 2x2 and 3x3 and the best I could muster was a 1:10 3x3 single :D. There was disappointment for sure, I had an aggressive goal at the time of a sub 50 average but figured at worst I should come away with a sub 1min ao5. Some serious empathy here knowing how weird the concentration can be, especially when it falls off the cliff like that.

At the same time I'm kinda glad I got it out of the way at the first one. I left there with an official WCA single time, that's more than I went in with and I didn't know anyone else who did before that day. The atmosphere was great, everyone there was very helpful and encouraging, and it did prep me for the future potential of "getting comp'd". Being my first comp was already enough win in itself to help cushion the disappointment. Helps to be a stubborn cuss, too, I can't let that performance stand.
 
@pglewis yeah that's true, I'm still trying to get good at bowling after 20 years but my success at cubing already has been more rewarding to me in lots of ways. The thing with bowling is it's harder to get in the practice time I'd like, especially with a family now. When I started I would bowl many hours a week. Plus there are even more variables when you go to a tourney than with cubing, lanes and oil patterns are difficult to adjust to.

Like you said, you have a single now so it's something to build on!
 
Following @Logiqx's mini OH tutorial on Sunday I've been drilling pinky R/R'. There's already some obvious improvement but judging by the pain in my forearm I may be taking a day off it tomorrow.

My blind skills seem to have deserted me. Haven't had a success at all today. That's 3 bad days in a row. Must be lack of sleep .

Glad your cube turned up @Shaky Hands
Cool. Keep at it and in a fews weeks your fingers will get stronger.

A mini cube might also help initially. I used a mini Weilong for a long time.

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Check that you are holding the cube right, that injury could be from not holding your wrist straight.

Also make sure your cube is loose enough. Far too easy to have to work too hard with your hand, and then wonder why your hand is bothering you :).

Cool. Keep at it and in a fews weeks your fingers will get stronger.

A mini cube might also help initially. I used a mini Weilong for a long time.

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I'm sure the pain is just the tendons stretching as I'm not used to moving my pinky independently . I'm sure a smaller cube will suit me more as I have girls hands but for the purpose of the exercise I'll stick with full size for now. I might switch to a quieter cube so I can practice at work.
 
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