Promising time distribution of my latest Ao25. It was just 18.56 because there are no great solves in there but very consistent save for the 3 sup-20 solves (two of them in a row ). Nice sub-20 percentage also (80%) and good to see that the most likely result is a 17.xx and almost 50% of the solves are sub-18 (12/25). Now I feel finally sub-20 globally as it is very rare that I get sup 20 in any Ao12 or larger. I also start to think that a 19.xx is a bad solve. Also convinced that the Valk 3 is my new main, hands down.
16+: XXX 3
17+: XXXXXXXXX 9
18+: XXXXXX 6
19+: XX 2
20+: XX 2
21+: X 1
22+: X 1
23+: X 1
Kudos on global sub-20, remember those days and it's very satisfying!
Thanks very much for the Valk recommendation, I'm getting great times with it, it's such a massive leap for me from the Weilong v1. I have fairly small hands, and for a lot of my LL algs it's just so much smoother.
I'd say I'm probably globally about 20.5 already thanks largely to the cube after about a week back. I've had a 13 and several 14s with it, and most of my sup 20 solves are either significant lockups, messing up OLL recognition, or OLLs I just don't know.
I reckon another week and I'm be back sub 20, and when I finish OLL I'll be sub 19. Don't know why people are so negative about full OLL on this forum...
Thing is, as long as one improves without learning OLL there is no "need" to learn it and one can think that we would learn OLL whenever we're stuck, adding a kind of extra improvement any time.
In my case I was never really stuck and I'm lazy so I don't learn OLL (average ~15 atm).
Yeah I find that one of the more irritating bits of bogus advice to get peddled on these forums, because the logic is so twisted. Every so often someone wheels out some video of Collin Burns or someone doing a sub-13 average with 2LOLL and claims it as evidence that you don't "need" full OLL to be fast. Well, you can find videos of fast people solving sub-20 with LBL, but nobody uses that as evidence you don't "need" F2L. I'll stop now before this becomes a rant...
That's another thing I was going mention, I'm also slowly going to be picking up some more OLL cases even though F2L is going to be my focus for weeks to come. I see no reason to wait until I've squeezed what I can from other areas and then try to digest all of them at once so I'm already slowly adding some of the easier and shorter ones... Ts, squares, "stealth", etc. Taking advantage of this slow-solve period to add more new stuff to slow me down more lol.
Once I've finished full OLL I may invest some time in some of the simpler Winter Variation cases or Magic Wondeful. Always nice to skip an OLL, and even better when you know it's going to happen!
Yeah, the more I read on theory stuff the more attractive it feels to me to learn a smorgasbord of some the most common cases and shortest algs from various sub-methods vs. laser focus on any particular one.
Brilliant! Reassuring to see that my first new OLL targets are indeed high on the move savings list but nothing like having hard data to back it up. That PDF looks like everything I wanted to ask for but didn't know to.
Promising time distribution of my latest Ao25. It was just 18.56 because there are no great solves in there but very consistent save for the 3 sup-20 solves (two of them in a row ). Nice sub-20 percentage also (80%) and good to see that the most likely result is a 17.xx and almost 50% of the solves are sub-18 (12/25). Now I feel finally sub-20 globally as it is very rare that I get sup 20 in any Ao12 or larger. I also start to think that a 19.xx is a bad solve. Also convinced that the Valk 3 is my new main, hands down.
About full OLL - another annoying thing: dont learn dots. In fact I think dots are fine - almost all dots I can do sub-2, some sub 1.2 and they are so easy... Just saying.
About full OLL - another annoying thing: dont learn dots. In fact I think dots are fine - almost all dots I can do sub-2, some sub 1.2 and they are so easy... Just saying.
Yes - and unless you do edge control, you're doing a dot alg anyway in 2LOLL. F sexy F' f sexy f' or whatever. What a waste to do all those moves and still be left with an OCLL! Unsurprisingly they are among the highest move savings of all the OLLs, and like you say, they are easy to learn.
Anyone who wants to join in, feel free. I'll do my entry tomorrow, off to bed now.
I'll try to keep on top of stats, etc., but I'll be in hospital a lot (I noticed before I posted that I'll be in hospital all day on the first round deadline) and feeling generally sh!tty about 50% of the time.
I hope some of the clientele of this thread take part, used to be just us lot that were interested anyway!
Yeah splits are useful and the substep comp was fun, I recommend it. Not sure if I will enter myself, as I don't practise 3x3 these days, but if I get a coffee break to myself I might...
I think it is good to know full OLL by the time you are globally sub-20. Depending on how keen you are to learn OLL it makes sense to start learning anytime between sub-30 and sub-25. It's also the right time when you are recognising specific cases and feel you should know specific algorithms for them. The Collin Burns references are somewhat bogus because there is a significant difference between 2-looks and 2-algs. The reality is that he'd have been recognising the OLL cases and executing his algs without pausing. This is essentially a sub-optimal 1-look alg but still a lot faster than 2-looks.
I would recommend learning the dot cases early as they are very useful. They are easy to recognise, easy to learn and save a lot of moves. You'll eventually try to avoid them in speed solves by using sledgehammer insertions but they'll still crop up from time to time.
Mark's document is useful in determining which cases save you the most moves but "looks" are also significant. I would recommend learning "shapes" as complete sets so if you are going to learn the small lightning bolts (for example) then learn all of them in a shortish time period. If you are going to spend time recognising a case during a speed solve then you don't want to realise it's one of the cases where you don't actually know the algorithm. The OLL's with Sune / Anti-Sune corners are good candidates for being learnt as some of your first groups.
My final tip for OLL is to learn "good" algorithms from the outset. I've probably replaced 20-25% of my OLLs over time and it can be harder than expected to swap out one alg and replace it with a new one. You can view my current algs and the ones I've replaced via my signature.
Practice
I've not done nearly so much targeted practice as Mark who's done a lot more blind cross, cross+1, PLL time attacks, etc.
However, I believe it is important to focus on all aspects of your solve and IMO it is a good thing to always be learning new things for all steps. Improving your cross (e.g. well planned / executed), F2L (efficiency / lookahead), OLL (new algs) and PLL (recognition) at the same time is a good approach IMO.
Edge Control
Sledgehammer is useful to any solver (regardless of speed) and regardless of what algs they know because it is a simple way to avoid the dot cases. Intuitive edge control and VHLS are appealing to people who don't know full OLL but once you know full OLL they offer little benefit IMO. It's better to just solve the last pair as quickly as possible and then solve the resultant OLL.
However... intuitive edge control + VHLS become extremely useful once you know a good number of COLL or ZBLL cases. I probably use 4-6 move EOLS algs during 1/6 of my slow solves (1/12 during speed solves as I'm not always spotting the opportunities) as they will lead to Sune + PLL or COLL + EPLL. COLL + EPLL is especially awesome as it's almost always faster than OLL + PLL and has a 1/12 chance of a EPLL skip.
I already have your OLL page open at the top of my browser - it's been a permanent feature there since I resumed cubing. Thanks for taking the time to do it, it's a massive boon to the lazier among us, and I'm stuck at home for the next 3 months without a printer to produce the old DIY alg sheets (remember them?). I also don't have a laminator, so they'd be coffee-stained before long anyway!
I do find that I will occasionally spot a dot OLL coming, or can force some EO, but knowing only probably 30 OLLs I often force one I don't know, meaning I still need an edge flip and OCLL, which means a massively inefficient process of:
spot impending dot case
mentally adjust from 'natural' insertion to sledgehammer (or, worse, make pair in top layer, AUF, sledgehammer)
2-look alg to flip remaining edges (OELL)
sort corners (OCLL)
The sooner I know full OLL, the better, imho!!!
I'm in the process of learning small Ls. Turns out I already knew some of them, but was using 2-look because the algs had gone from my brain. Re-learning is significantly easier than learning, my fingers seem to know what to do, even if my brain doesn't. Good old muscle memory!
Did an Ao50 this morning, and noticed my sig PB Ao100 was 20.xx because I NEVER used to do Ao100s. So I did another 50 solves, and the session average came in bang on 20 seconds:
Generated By csTimer on 2016-10-26
solves/total: 100/100
single
best: 12.98
worst: 28.27
mean of 3
current: 19.90 (σ = 4.07)
best: 15.96 (σ = 2.80)
Time List:
1. 20.60 D B' D R F2 L B L R2 B2 D2 B L2 B' L2 F' U2 R2 D'
2. 18.87 L B' L2 F2 L U2 F2 D' R2 B2 R2 F2 D2 F' R2 L2 B U2 R'
3. 20.01 F' L D2 B D2 F' D2 R2 D' L F2 R2 F2 U L2 F2 U' F2 R2 U2
4. 20.54 R' B' U2 B' R2 B U2 B' D2 F D2 U B2 L F2 L' U B' D' U2
5. 19.74 F2 L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 D2 B' F2 U' F' R' B' F2 U2 B
6. 18.22 D' F2 L' B' L' B' D' R' F L2 D L2 D' F2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 B2
7. 22.46 L2 R' U2 R' F2 L D2 B2 L2 U2 D B2 L U F L2 R B R' B2
8. 20.13 R2 B R2 F2 R2 F L2 U2 L2 R2 D' R D U' R' D' L' B' F R
9. 21.94 L2 F2 L2 D B2 U B2 U L2 U L2 B' D U2 F2 R2 F' U R D'
10. 24.60 F2 D2 L2 U' F2 R2 U2 L2 D' R2 B2 R U R' B2 L2 R2 B' D'
11. 19.63 F U2 F R2 B2 D2 R2 U2 R2 F' D' L' B' F' D' U' L2 F L' U
12. 18.76 D2 B2 F2 L2 U B2 D2 B2 U R2 U' R' B D' U2 L F' R2 B' F'
13. 20.90 D2 B D' F U' R U2 R2 F L U2 F L2 B' U2 D2 F' L2 F2 B'
14. 17.78 R U2 R' D2 U2 F2 R' F2 U2 L F' L' B R B' L' U' R2 F2 D2
15. 18.69 R U L2 D' L2 D' L2 U R2 D R2 F2 B' R2 D' B U' F' R B2 F'
16. 18.19 L B2 D R F' B' D' R2 F' R B2 R' U2 F2 R' F2 L' F2 D2
17. 21.47 U R2 D2 B2 R2 D' R2 U B2 D L D F' L' U F' L U L' D2
18. 22.13 D' L2 D' F2 L2 D' R2 F2 U B2 F2 R F' D' B' R U2 B2 F R B2
19. 19.32 F2 D2 R2 D2 L D2 R' D2 R D2 F2 D F2 U B R F' L U R2
20. 19.90 B F R2 D2 F' R2 D2 L2 R2 F L2 R' B' F' D' L D B F U' L
21. 18.60 U2 R2 B2 D' F2 U L2 U' B2 R2 B D' B' R' B2 U R2 F U R'
22. 28.27 L2 D2 R2 D R2 D B2 R2 F2 L2 D2 F' U' L R' D' R2 D U' R2 D'
23. 20.66 D L2 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 F2 L2 R2 U' F' R' U2 F2 L2 B D' B' F R'
24. 20.06 D2 F2 D2 B2 U' B2 R2 D2 R2 D R B' U' B2 L2 U R' U B'
25. 23.81 U L2 B R' B' U' B' L' B2 D L2 D F2 D R2 D2 L2 U2 B
26. 18.62 U' B2 L U R' B' D2 L' F' D L F2 D2 L' D2 R F2 R2 F2 R2
27. 17.12 U F2 R2 D2 B' R2 F' L2 D2 L2 R2 U R2 U B U' L D2 R2 D2
28. 18.66 R U' L' F2 R' B' D2 L' F' R D2 L' U2 D2 L B2 R D2 L
29. 22.61 R B2 D2 L' B D B' U' F L' R2 F U2 R2 F' L2 D2 R2 F
30. 19.39 F L' U' D2 F' L D' B2 R D F2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2 B' L2 F B
31. 18.05 U2 F R2 B' L2 F' L2 U2 F' R2 F' R F' D L F2 R' D' B D2 F2
32. 16.77 F2 U' F2 L2 D2 U' B2 R2 D2 B2 L2 B' R' F D' B L F2 L' D R'
33. 20.49 F B2 D2 L F2 D' F U2 B' R' U F2 D2 F2 U L2 D F2 U' R2 U
34. 22.65 L' B2 L2 D2 F2 L' D2 R' D2 F2 D2 F' U' L B' R B2 U' B2 L'
35. 24.57 B' L' R' U2 F2 R2 F2 R' B2 R' B2 D R U2 R B' L' R' B' U2
36. 21.58 D' L2 F2 U' F2 U2 F2 R2 U B2 L D2 R F' R U' L D2 B2 R
37. 25.37 U R2 D2 U' B2 R2 U F2 R2 D L2 F L' B' L' R D' B' F2 D2 B2
38. 19.07 B2 U2 L2 R2 D' B2 R2 U L2 U2 B' L U2 R D2 U' B' R2 U B2
39. 20.32 B2 L D2 B L U' L2 D' L' F' U R2 B2 U2 B2 U B2 D' L2 F2
40. 17.52 L U' B D R U B2 U2 D R F2 R' F2 L' D2 R2 D2 F2 U2 R'
41. 20.07 U' F2 L' D2 B2 L2 D2 L U2 L' F2 D2 B F2 D R' F U R' B L2
42. 18.59 U' F2 L' U R D F' D' B U' L2 B2 R2 U2 F' U2 F R2 L2 B2 U2
43. 17.94 R2 B' U' R F' B L2 F2 U B D' R2 U B2 U' R2 F2 L2 F2 U
44. 17.18 L2 F2 U' L2 F2 U2 L2 R2 U' F2 D R F D2 R B' U' R' F L
45. 22.96 F2 L' D' L' F U2 R B2 D R D2 R2 U2 R2 F2 B' U2 F2 D2 F' R2
46. 17.13 R F L2 D F2 D2 L' B R D' R' B2 D2 R F2 D2 L B2 L F2
47. 18.80 U' R2 D2 R2 U' F2 L2 B2 U L2 D B' U' L U B L2 D2 F' L'
48. 22.59 D2 R' B2 L' U2 R D2 L F2 L2 F2 B' U2 L R' B' L' D' L2 B
49. 23.15 R' F' R2 B' F2 D2 F' R2 D2 R2 F2 R' B' U B' D' L2 U R2 B2
50. 19.21 L' B2 L' D2 F U' L2 F D R D R2 D' R2 B2 U2 D R2 F2 U'
51. 20.16 U2 F R L B L2 F2 L2 U' L2 F' B' D2 F D2 R2 B R2 D2 L2
52. 19.52 F2 B2 U' R D' F' D R2 D R2 L B2 D2 B2 R F2 D2 R' U2 L
53. 16.45 B2 L2 D F2 D2 F2 U R2 D B2 D L' D U' F2 R B' L2 R D R'
54. 18.54 D2 L2 D R2 D F2 R2 D2 L2 D U2 F U' B' F2 R' D L2 F U' F'
55. 20.19 F' R F2 U2 R U2 R2 D2 F2 R B2 R2 D' B' U' R' D2 L2 D2 B D
56. 22.63 L2 F2 D' B2 F2 U' L2 U2 L2 R2 U' B' R2 U B R U L U2 R' B
57. 16.07 D2 F R2 F D2 F' L2 F D R' B2 R2 U R F R' F' U
58. 17.60 U' F' R2 U2 L2 B2 D2 B' D2 L D' B' F' R2 F2 L' R' F
59. 18.58 L D2 F2 R F L B' R U2 L U L2 B2 R2 U' F2 U' D2 R2 U2
60. 21.62 D' B2 L2 F2 U' B2 U2 L2 R2 B2 U L B2 D U L' B R2 D F R2
61. 20.57 L2 R2 U F2 R2 B2 R2 F2 U2 L2 U F R F U2 B R' F' R2 F' U'
62. 21.98 D' R F' D2 R2 L2 B' U B' R2 B L2 B U2 F L2 D2 F2 R2 L
63. 23.33 F' U2 R2 U2 R2 B' U2 L2 B' D2 R2 L U' F' D' L2 R' F2 R' F2
64. 17.50 D2 L F D' R U2 F' B R2 F U2 B2 U' R2 B2 U' B2 U' F2 R2 D2
65. 20.32 U R2 F2 U L2 D' R2 D L2 U B' U' L2 F' U' R2 B L F' L2
66. 19.11 U D2 F2 L' B U' L D B' U2 B2 D L2 F2 L2 D2 R2 F2 D R2
67. 19.20 D B2 U2 L2 R2 U R2 B2 R2 D' F2 R' D' U' L D' F U2 B' L D'
68. 20.63 B2 U L2 D' F2 R2 D' L2 B F' R U B' D U' F L2 D' U2
69. 21.11 L2 U B2 D2 L2 U' B2 L2 B2 F2 U F R2 U2 R' U2 B D R' B2 L
70. 19.34 F2 L F' R2 U D2 F D R' B2 U' L2 D' L2 D' F2 U2 D
71. 18.65 D2 B' R2 L' D L F B2 L F2 U2 F2 U' D2 F2 U' L2 U' L2 F2
72. 20.59 L2 D B' R' B2 D2 R B D2 F2 L2 D2 L2 D2 L U2 R B2 L' F'
73. 16.52 B2 F2 U2 R D2 R F2 L U2 B2 D2 F' L F2 D2 F2 D F' D B U'
74. 15.43 L2 F2 R' U2 F2 R F' U L' U2 F' D2 L2 U2 R2 B R2 U2 L
75. 27.73 U2 L2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 B2 U B2 F' U' L R2 F2 U L' B R B'
76. 20.99 U' F2 D' R2 U F2 L2 U' F2 L2 F2 R F U B' D R U2 F2 R
77. 25.20 F R2 B2 D' L2 R2 U' L2 F2 U2 B2 U2 L' D' U' R' B U' R' D2 R'
78. 22.33 F2 U' R2 U F2 D R2 U B2 F2 D2 R F R2 U B F' L F' R' B2
79. 18.53 F2 D2 U2 L D2 L2 U2 R2 B2 D2 F2 B U2 R F' L U' B L2 D2 R
80. 16.36 F2 R' U2 L2 D2 F2 U2 L D2 B D B' U B2 U' R B R' F'
81. 12.98 R2 U2 R2 U2 B2 F' R2 D2 F2 U2 D F U L B2 L2 B' D2 U' L2
82. 21.11 L2 B2 L' B2 R2 F2 R D2 U2 R F2 U' L F' L2 B U' B U R
83. 22.34 B D2 L D2 U2 F2 R' B2 L D2 B2 R U B F2 D' U2 R F2 L2 F
84. 25.62 B2 R2 B2 U' L' D' F2 R U2 B2 L2 F' R2 F' L2 B' L2 B' L
85. 18.52 L B' U2 R2 B2 U2 R2 B' R2 U' F R' B R' F L' B2 U'
86. 21.23 D2 L F2 R D2 R U2 L' B2 R2 U B D' F' U' R' D' B' F' L
87. 18.07 F2 D B L F B2 L2 B U' R' U' R2 U B2 D' L2 U B2 D' R2 U
88. 18.47 D L2 B' L D L2 B' D2 L R2 D2 R2 D L2 D R2 U' L2 B2 D2
89. 23.56 D2 U B2 F2 R2 D B2 D' F2 R2 B2 F L D' R' D B' D' U B' F
90. 21.36 D L D2 B R' B2 D' F R F2 B L2 F D2 R2 L2 B U2 B2 L2
91. 15.21 F' D' B L' U R' L B2 U' F' R2 B' R2 D2 F R2 L2 B D2 F
92. 22.26 F2 R2 D2 F U2 B' U2 B2 D2 F' U F L' R B D2 F R B2 U'
93. 20.26 B R2 D' B2 D B2 U2 R2 U' B2 R2 U2 F U R' D F2 U F2 D' B2
94. 17.62 L F2 U2 L2 F U2 R2 F2 R2 B' D2 F R' D' U' F R' D' F D L
95. 18.22 R L2 D2 F2 D' B2 U L2 F2 D2 L2 U' R D B2 R2 B U L2 D R2
96. 21.76 B' U2 L2 U2 B U2 L2 U2 R2 U2 L' B' R2 F2 L2 B' D' B R2 F2
97. 16.27 F2 D2 R2 B' L2 U2 F' L2 B' R2 F L' B2 F2 D' F R2 U' F L F
98. 23.93 L2 B2 L2 U2 L' D2 R D2 F2 D2 F' R' F U R U2 B' D B' F
99. 19.99 B2 R2 B2 U L2 U' R2 F2 D2 L2 U' R B' U2 F2 U L B2 U' B' F2
100. 15.78 U' F2 D2 R2 U L2 D' F2 D2 L2 F' R2 D' B2 D' L2 F' R D'
I've already started to find I can screw up a solve badly, and still pull it in around 23-24 seconds.
I already have your OLL page open at the top of my browser - it's been a permanent feature there since I resumed cubing. Thanks for taking the time to do it, it's a massive boon to the lazier among us, and I'm stuck at home for the next 3 months without a printer to produce the old DIY alg sheets (remember them?). I also don't have a laminator, so they'd be coffee-stained before long anyway!
I do find that I will occasionally spot a dot OLL coming, or can force some EO, but knowing only probably 30 OLLs I often force one I don't know, meaning I still need an edge flip and OCLL, which means a massively inefficient process of:
spot impending dot case
mentally adjust from 'natural' insertion to sledgehammer (or, worse, make pair in top layer, AUF, sledgehammer)
2-look alg to flip remaining edges (OELL)
sort corners (OCLL)
The sooner I know full OLL, the better, imho!!!
I'm in the process of learning small Ls. Turns out I already knew some of them, but was using 2-look because the algs had gone from my brain. Re-learning is significantly easier than learning, my fingers seem to know what to do, even if my brain doesn't. Good old muscle memory!
Did an Ao50 this morning, and noticed my sig PB Ao100 was 20.xx because I NEVER used to do Ao100s. So I did another 50 solves, and the session average came in bang on 20 seconds:
Generated By csTimer on 2016-10-26
solves/total: 100/100
single
best: 12.98
worst: 28.27
mean of 3
current: 19.90 (σ = 4.07)
best: 15.96 (σ = 2.80)
Time List:
1. 20.60 D B' D R F2 L B L R2 B2 D2 B L2 B' L2 F' U2 R2 D'
2. 18.87 L B' L2 F2 L U2 F2 D' R2 B2 R2 F2 D2 F' R2 L2 B U2 R'
3. 20.01 F' L D2 B D2 F' D2 R2 D' L F2 R2 F2 U L2 F2 U' F2 R2 U2
4. 20.54 R' B' U2 B' R2 B U2 B' D2 F D2 U B2 L F2 L' U B' D' U2
5. 19.74 F2 L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 D2 B' F2 U' F' R' B' F2 U2 B
6. 18.22 D' F2 L' B' L' B' D' R' F L2 D L2 D' F2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 B2
7. 22.46 L2 R' U2 R' F2 L D2 B2 L2 U2 D B2 L U F L2 R B R' B2
8. 20.13 R2 B R2 F2 R2 F L2 U2 L2 R2 D' R D U' R' D' L' B' F R
9. 21.94 L2 F2 L2 D B2 U B2 U L2 U L2 B' D U2 F2 R2 F' U R D'
10. 24.60 F2 D2 L2 U' F2 R2 U2 L2 D' R2 B2 R U R' B2 L2 R2 B' D'
11. 19.63 F U2 F R2 B2 D2 R2 U2 R2 F' D' L' B' F' D' U' L2 F L' U
12. 18.76 D2 B2 F2 L2 U B2 D2 B2 U R2 U' R' B D' U2 L F' R2 B' F'
13. 20.90 D2 B D' F U' R U2 R2 F L U2 F L2 B' U2 D2 F' L2 F2 B'
14. 17.78 R U2 R' D2 U2 F2 R' F2 U2 L F' L' B R B' L' U' R2 F2 D2
15. 18.69 R U L2 D' L2 D' L2 U R2 D R2 F2 B' R2 D' B U' F' R B2 F'
16. 18.19 L B2 D R F' B' D' R2 F' R B2 R' U2 F2 R' F2 L' F2 D2
17. 21.47 U R2 D2 B2 R2 D' R2 U B2 D L D F' L' U F' L U L' D2
18. 22.13 D' L2 D' F2 L2 D' R2 F2 U B2 F2 R F' D' B' R U2 B2 F R B2
19. 19.32 F2 D2 R2 D2 L D2 R' D2 R D2 F2 D F2 U B R F' L U R2
20. 19.90 B F R2 D2 F' R2 D2 L2 R2 F L2 R' B' F' D' L D B F U' L
21. 18.60 U2 R2 B2 D' F2 U L2 U' B2 R2 B D' B' R' B2 U R2 F U R'
22. 28.27 L2 D2 R2 D R2 D B2 R2 F2 L2 D2 F' U' L R' D' R2 D U' R2 D'
23. 20.66 D L2 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 F2 L2 R2 U' F' R' U2 F2 L2 B D' B' F R'
24. 20.06 D2 F2 D2 B2 U' B2 R2 D2 R2 D R B' U' B2 L2 U R' U B'
25. 23.81 U L2 B R' B' U' B' L' B2 D L2 D F2 D R2 D2 L2 U2 B
26. 18.62 U' B2 L U R' B' D2 L' F' D L F2 D2 L' D2 R F2 R2 F2 R2
27. 17.12 U F2 R2 D2 B' R2 F' L2 D2 L2 R2 U R2 U B U' L D2 R2 D2
28. 18.66 R U' L' F2 R' B' D2 L' F' R D2 L' U2 D2 L B2 R D2 L
29. 22.61 R B2 D2 L' B D B' U' F L' R2 F U2 R2 F' L2 D2 R2 F
30. 19.39 F L' U' D2 F' L D' B2 R D F2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2 B' L2 F B
31. 18.05 U2 F R2 B' L2 F' L2 U2 F' R2 F' R F' D L F2 R' D' B D2 F2
32. 16.77 F2 U' F2 L2 D2 U' B2 R2 D2 B2 L2 B' R' F D' B L F2 L' D R'
33. 20.49 F B2 D2 L F2 D' F U2 B' R' U F2 D2 F2 U L2 D F2 U' R2 U
34. 22.65 L' B2 L2 D2 F2 L' D2 R' D2 F2 D2 F' U' L B' R B2 U' B2 L'
35. 24.57 B' L' R' U2 F2 R2 F2 R' B2 R' B2 D R U2 R B' L' R' B' U2
36. 21.58 D' L2 F2 U' F2 U2 F2 R2 U B2 L D2 R F' R U' L D2 B2 R
37. 25.37 U R2 D2 U' B2 R2 U F2 R2 D L2 F L' B' L' R D' B' F2 D2 B2
38. 19.07 B2 U2 L2 R2 D' B2 R2 U L2 U2 B' L U2 R D2 U' B' R2 U B2
39. 20.32 B2 L D2 B L U' L2 D' L' F' U R2 B2 U2 B2 U B2 D' L2 F2
40. 17.52 L U' B D R U B2 U2 D R F2 R' F2 L' D2 R2 D2 F2 U2 R'
41. 20.07 U' F2 L' D2 B2 L2 D2 L U2 L' F2 D2 B F2 D R' F U R' B L2
42. 18.59 U' F2 L' U R D F' D' B U' L2 B2 R2 U2 F' U2 F R2 L2 B2 U2
43. 17.94 R2 B' U' R F' B L2 F2 U B D' R2 U B2 U' R2 F2 L2 F2 U
44. 17.18 L2 F2 U' L2 F2 U2 L2 R2 U' F2 D R F D2 R B' U' R' F L
45. 22.96 F2 L' D' L' F U2 R B2 D R D2 R2 U2 R2 F2 B' U2 F2 D2 F' R2
46. 17.13 R F L2 D F2 D2 L' B R D' R' B2 D2 R F2 D2 L B2 L F2
47. 18.80 U' R2 D2 R2 U' F2 L2 B2 U L2 D B' U' L U B L2 D2 F' L'
48. 22.59 D2 R' B2 L' U2 R D2 L F2 L2 F2 B' U2 L R' B' L' D' L2 B
49. 23.15 R' F' R2 B' F2 D2 F' R2 D2 R2 F2 R' B' U B' D' L2 U R2 B2
50. 19.21 L' B2 L' D2 F U' L2 F D R D R2 D' R2 B2 U2 D R2 F2 U'
51. 20.16 U2 F R L B L2 F2 L2 U' L2 F' B' D2 F D2 R2 B R2 D2 L2
52. 19.52 F2 B2 U' R D' F' D R2 D R2 L B2 D2 B2 R F2 D2 R' U2 L
53. 16.45 B2 L2 D F2 D2 F2 U R2 D B2 D L' D U' F2 R B' L2 R D R'
54. 18.54 D2 L2 D R2 D F2 R2 D2 L2 D U2 F U' B' F2 R' D L2 F U' F'
55. 20.19 F' R F2 U2 R U2 R2 D2 F2 R B2 R2 D' B' U' R' D2 L2 D2 B D
56. 22.63 L2 F2 D' B2 F2 U' L2 U2 L2 R2 U' B' R2 U B R U L U2 R' B
57. 16.07 D2 F R2 F D2 F' L2 F D R' B2 R2 U R F R' F' U
58. 17.60 U' F' R2 U2 L2 B2 D2 B' D2 L D' B' F' R2 F2 L' R' F
59. 18.58 L D2 F2 R F L B' R U2 L U L2 B2 R2 U' F2 U' D2 R2 U2
60. 21.62 D' B2 L2 F2 U' B2 U2 L2 R2 B2 U L B2 D U L' B R2 D F R2
61. 20.57 L2 R2 U F2 R2 B2 R2 F2 U2 L2 U F R F U2 B R' F' R2 F' U'
62. 21.98 D' R F' D2 R2 L2 B' U B' R2 B L2 B U2 F L2 D2 F2 R2 L
63. 23.33 F' U2 R2 U2 R2 B' U2 L2 B' D2 R2 L U' F' D' L2 R' F2 R' F2
64. 17.50 D2 L F D' R U2 F' B R2 F U2 B2 U' R2 B2 U' B2 U' F2 R2 D2
65. 20.32 U R2 F2 U L2 D' R2 D L2 U B' U' L2 F' U' R2 B L F' L2
66. 19.11 U D2 F2 L' B U' L D B' U2 B2 D L2 F2 L2 D2 R2 F2 D R2
67. 19.20 D B2 U2 L2 R2 U R2 B2 R2 D' F2 R' D' U' L D' F U2 B' L D'
68. 20.63 B2 U L2 D' F2 R2 D' L2 B F' R U B' D U' F L2 D' U2
69. 21.11 L2 U B2 D2 L2 U' B2 L2 B2 F2 U F R2 U2 R' U2 B D R' B2 L
70. 19.34 F2 L F' R2 U D2 F D R' B2 U' L2 D' L2 D' F2 U2 D
71. 18.65 D2 B' R2 L' D L F B2 L F2 U2 F2 U' D2 F2 U' L2 U' L2 F2
72. 20.59 L2 D B' R' B2 D2 R B D2 F2 L2 D2 L2 D2 L U2 R B2 L' F'
73. 16.52 B2 F2 U2 R D2 R F2 L U2 B2 D2 F' L F2 D2 F2 D F' D B U'
74. 15.43 L2 F2 R' U2 F2 R F' U L' U2 F' D2 L2 U2 R2 B R2 U2 L
75. 27.73 U2 L2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 B2 U B2 F' U' L R2 F2 U L' B R B'
76. 20.99 U' F2 D' R2 U F2 L2 U' F2 L2 F2 R F U B' D R U2 F2 R
77. 25.20 F R2 B2 D' L2 R2 U' L2 F2 U2 B2 U2 L' D' U' R' B U' R' D2 R'
78. 22.33 F2 U' R2 U F2 D R2 U B2 F2 D2 R F R2 U B F' L F' R' B2
79. 18.53 F2 D2 U2 L D2 L2 U2 R2 B2 D2 F2 B U2 R F' L U' B L2 D2 R
80. 16.36 F2 R' U2 L2 D2 F2 U2 L D2 B D B' U B2 U' R B R' F'
81. 12.98 R2 U2 R2 U2 B2 F' R2 D2 F2 U2 D F U L B2 L2 B' D2 U' L2
82. 21.11 L2 B2 L' B2 R2 F2 R D2 U2 R F2 U' L F' L2 B U' B U R
83. 22.34 B D2 L D2 U2 F2 R' B2 L D2 B2 R U B F2 D' U2 R F2 L2 F
84. 25.62 B2 R2 B2 U' L' D' F2 R U2 B2 L2 F' R2 F' L2 B' L2 B' L
85. 18.52 L B' U2 R2 B2 U2 R2 B' R2 U' F R' B R' F L' B2 U'
86. 21.23 D2 L F2 R D2 R U2 L' B2 R2 U B D' F' U' R' D' B' F' L
87. 18.07 F2 D B L F B2 L2 B U' R' U' R2 U B2 D' L2 U B2 D' R2 U
88. 18.47 D L2 B' L D L2 B' D2 L R2 D2 R2 D L2 D R2 U' L2 B2 D2
89. 23.56 D2 U B2 F2 R2 D B2 D' F2 R2 B2 F L D' R' D B' D' U B' F
90. 21.36 D L D2 B R' B2 D' F R F2 B L2 F D2 R2 L2 B U2 B2 L2
91. 15.21 F' D' B L' U R' L B2 U' F' R2 B' R2 D2 F R2 L2 B D2 F
92. 22.26 F2 R2 D2 F U2 B' U2 B2 D2 F' U F L' R B D2 F R B2 U'
93. 20.26 B R2 D' B2 D B2 U2 R2 U' B2 R2 U2 F U R' D F2 U F2 D' B2
94. 17.62 L F2 U2 L2 F U2 R2 F2 R2 B' D2 F R' D' U' F R' D' F D L
95. 18.22 R L2 D2 F2 D' B2 U L2 F2 D2 L2 U' R D B2 R2 B U L2 D R2
96. 21.76 B' U2 L2 U2 B U2 L2 U2 R2 U2 L' B' R2 F2 L2 B' D' B R2 F2
97. 16.27 F2 D2 R2 B' L2 U2 F' L2 B' R2 F L' B2 F2 D' F R2 U' F L F
98. 23.93 L2 B2 L2 U2 L' D2 R D2 F2 D2 F' R' F U R U2 B' D B' F
99. 19.99 B2 R2 B2 U L2 U' R2 F2 D2 L2 U' R B' U2 F2 U L B2 U' B' F2
100. 15.78 U' F2 D2 R2 U L2 D' F2 D2 L2 F' R2 D' B2 D' L2 F' R D'
I've already started to find I can screw up a solve badly, and still pull it in around 23-24 seconds.
I would recommend learning the dot cases early as they are very useful. They are easy to recognise, easy to learn and save a lot of moves. You'll eventually try to avoid them in speed solves by using sledgehammer insertions but they'll still crop up from time to time.
Honestly I've already totally forgotten the dot case even for 2-look OLL because I sledge the last pair if needed. When I remember to look. Plus the downsides @pipkiksass brings up. I'd planned to pretty much ignore dot cases for a while but recent input from y'all suggests that's not a great plan after all.
My final tip for OLL is to learn "good" algorithms from the outset. I've probably replaced 20-25% of my OLLs over time and it can be harder than expected to swap out one alg and replace it with a new one. You can view my current algs and the ones I've replaced via my signature.
Yeah, last night I was finally creating a full skeleton spreadsheet for my personal OLLs and I had tabs open with your list, the wiki, cubefreak's, Chris Olsons's, Mark's PDF, and algdb. If I can't pick a good one out of those I figure I'm SOL. I'm mostly looking at incorporating rotated OCLLs at the moment but I probably ended up replacing 2 of my main OCLLs in the process of scrutinizing. It's not a bad time for me to do this refinement; F2L look-ahead has been a seriously slower process of absorption for me than new algs. That's half of why I find myself poking around more at OLL in the first place: my OLL is bored waiting for F2L to come around.
From the n00b perspective, some of the initial poor alg choices were made due to execution limitations. At the very beginning I avoided all algs with wide turns because that was too weird. B moves took longer to drop my moratorium because they were awkward. And I just developed a usable M slice in the past few weeks, previously my execution involved clumsily having the cube squeeze out of my hands and about 4 inches into the air, having to catch it about 20% of the time... talk about your re-grips lol. I'm far from considering Rouxing just yet but I suddenly find myself wanting to M-slice All The Things now.
However, I believe it is important to focus on all aspects of your solve and IMO it is a good thing to always be learning new things for all steps. Improving your cross (e.g. well planned / executed), F2L (efficiency / lookahead), OLL (new algs) and PLL (recognition) at the same time is a good approach IMO.
This is a daunting area for me. I'm isolating F2L because it's the main drag on my times by a good margin, look-ahead in particular. I'm going through all cases with a fine-toothed comb for the same reason you suggest learning good OLL algs: I don't want to keep step-wise refining my F2L in stages like I have been, repeatedly building and breaking habits. There will still be tricks to pick up when I'm done with this round but for the most part I want this to be my last deep-dive on F2L (until I get serious about OH lol).
The daunting part is I fully understand that F2L look-ahead doesn't happen in a vacuum and should really start during inspection... at the very least before I've inserted the last cross edge. I'm not treating a solve in a proper holistic manner yet. It's difficult to try to absorb the nuances of transitions when there is still so much thinking time going on with my individual F2L pairs. This might just be a case where my book learning is still well ahead of my abilities. I'm trying to get into the 20s, not out of them.
Sledge and hedge are my best friends at the moment and last pair edge control is the least use I get from them. I've probably incorporated a half-dozen special case uses during my current F2L boot-camp and I'm working on being comfortable/automatic with both sledge and hedge from any angle for any slot.
I started full OLL about 35-40 seconds I think. Do you remember @MarcelP? I think you were the one that told me to go for it.
I still use NO sledgehammer or hedge in my solves. Guess that's an obvious thing to work on. I was going to start learning COLL but I think I will also review some of my OLL algs, you guys have inspired me. I pretty much used what was on badmephisto's cheat sheets except N perm now. Funny because I miss the days learning OLL, it was exciting when I got one down and got to move on, but at the same time I've been very hesitant to start learning more. I guess I just still feel lookahead is my biggest issue, even being mostly sub 20 now.
This is one of my new faves. Corner in place and aligned, edge in the U layer. Same number of moves as my LBL alg from 34 years ago but faster to align and execute for me.
Then this one I got from @Logiqx, I think. "Triple sexy" case alignment but with the destination slot adjacent in the BR. Lefty version works for adjacent in the BL, of course.
And finally this one, which is a candidate for replacing triple sexy for me. Setup is with the slot in the FL. I'm also finding myself fond of the wide move hedgeslammer variants like this.
). Nice sub-20 percentage also (80%) and good to see that the most likely result is a 17.xx and almost 50% of the solves are sub-18 (12/25). Now I feel finally sub-20 globally as it is very rare that I get sup 20 in any Ao12 or larger. I also start to think that a 19.xx is a bad solve. Also convinced that the Valk 3 is my new main, hands down.
