mafergut
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Oh no! I don't think I have done more than 30-40 solves on my Yuxin and here comes Moyu with something better... I ain't buyin' this one, I promise...
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JanW
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I'm still considering attending a comp about 2½ months from now. Not sure which events I should compete in. 3x3, 3bld and some small Mbld attempt are givens, other than that, I'd need to learn some new stuff.
I don't really know anything about 2x2, I've only solved it with 3x3 algs so far. If I want to get a semi-decent time 2 months from now, which technique should I look into? Most of my practice will still be 3x3 and bld, and learning more OLL, so I'd prefer something that doesn't require 50 new algs.
How about Skewb? I solved it a couple of times with the very beginner method, the one that spams sledgehammers, but forgot all about it already. What would be the next step there? I know I would get bored with the beginners method immediately and can't bother to practice that...
4x4 I "know" Hoya. But I've forgotten the parity algs again... I really should practice these other cubes every now and then.
I don't really know anything about 2x2, I've only solved it with 3x3 algs so far. If I want to get a semi-decent time 2 months from now, which technique should I look into? Most of my practice will still be 3x3 and bld, and learning more OLL, so I'd prefer something that doesn't require 50 new algs.
How about Skewb? I solved it a couple of times with the very beginner method, the one that spams sledgehammers, but forgot all about it already. What would be the next step there? I know I would get bored with the beginners method immediately and can't bother to practice that...
4x4 I "know" Hoya. But I've forgotten the parity algs again... I really should practice these other cubes every now and then.
muchacho
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Skewb would be the fastest to learn and get decent times, it's a lot about spamming sledgehammers (even the intermediate variation).
http://sarah.cubing.net/skewb/my-method#section/beginners-variation
Pyraminx should be easy too, I suppose.
Ortega for 2x2 is not that difficult.
http://sarah.cubing.net/skewb/my-method#section/beginners-variation
Pyraminx should be easy too, I suppose.
Ortega for 2x2 is not that difficult.
JanW
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Thanks! Ortega looks nice, indeed. Only 3 new algs (I don't count R2 F2 R2 as an alg to "learn" 
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I don't own any Minxes and don't have the intention to buy one any time soon. Actually, the kilominx is the only one I'd be slightly interested in, but that's not an official event.
I did enjoy 4x4 quite a lot when I practiced it a brief period early in the summer. I think I'll aim for that as well.
).I don't own any Minxes and don't have the intention to buy one any time soon. Actually, the kilominx is the only one I'd be slightly interested in, but that's not an official event.
I did enjoy 4x4 quite a lot when I practiced it a brief period early in the summer. I think I'll aim for that as well.
Selkie
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After the topic of beer and cubing I decided to undertake a controlled experiment for the betterment of the good regular thread attendees this evening :rolleyes:
On 3x3 I average globally just sub 15.5. My ao100 since increasing TPS have all been close to this. Sometimes as low as 15.4 sometimes as high as 15.6 but there or there about.
Under controlled situation I had three bottles of Tribute Cornish Pale Ales ... 15.9 Ao50, a reduction of 0.4 seconds. I tried to figure the reasoning apart from slow reactions but all I can put it down to is muscle memory suffered amnesia
On 3x3 I average globally just sub 15.5. My ao100 since increasing TPS have all been close to this. Sometimes as low as 15.4 sometimes as high as 15.6 but there or there about.
Under controlled situation I had three bottles of Tribute Cornish Pale Ales ... 15.9 Ao50, a reduction of 0.4 seconds. I tried to figure the reasoning apart from slow reactions but all I can put it down to is muscle memory suffered amnesia
Logiqx
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Talking about muscle memory amnesia, I found it really weird solving OH whilst windsurfing. I found that unless I watched what I was doing, I kept messing up even simple triggers. It's as if the muscle memory of major muscle groups was interfering with the muscle memory of my fingers. In some ways it was also similar to tests such as patting your head whilst rubbing your tummy. It took a good 30 mins to start to get the hang of it!
Oh yes... and over 50,000 views on Facebook on the popular windsurfing pages. lol
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Oh yes... and over 50,000 views on Facebook on the popular windsurfing pages. lol
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JanW
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Haha, I must agree with this. Learned it well enough to do timed solves without cheat sheets in a few minutes. Now there's only the issue of getting faster.
I went straight for color neutral, that only seems to make sense here. I also realized that I'm better off if I avoid using any COLL algs I know. The PBLs with one layer already solved are longer than those which require permutations in both layers.
First 50 solves set a baseline for single/Ao5/Ao12 at 7.98/11.39/11.70. This is a good place to start improving.
For those of you who use Ortega, what are you looking for during PBL recognition? What kind of patterns should I look for? The best I can do right now in terms of 2-sided recognition is 4 colors = diagonal swap and 3 colors = adjacent swap, swapping the 2 pieces with opposite colors on the same side. Any better way to recognize?
newtonbase
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This is pretty good https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/2-sided-pbl-recognition-guide.26800/Haha, I must agree with this. Learned it well enough to do timed solves without cheat sheets in a few minutes. Now there's only the issue of getting faster.
I went straight for color neutral, that only seems to make sense here. I also realized that I'm better off if I avoid using any COLL algs I know. The PBLs with one layer already solved are longer than those which require permutations in both layers.
First 50 solves set a baseline for single/Ao5/Ao12 at 7.98/11.39/11.70. This is a good place to start improving.
For those of you who use Ortega, what are you looking for during PBL recognition? What kind of patterns should I look for? The best I can do right now in terms of 2-sided recognition is 4 colors = diagonal swap and 3 colors = adjacent swap, swapping the 2 pieces with opposite colors on the same side. Any better way to recognize?
I did have a site in my favorites that was more in depth but it's gone offline.
muchacho
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Those are good times to start from.
Just look for bars (and maybe beers). And during inspection try to see if there will be a bar, or solved or nothing.
Just look for bars (and maybe beers). And during inspection try to see if there will be a bar, or solved or nothing.
h2f
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JanW
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Thanks all! That 2-sided pbl recognition guide seems to explain the same system I was using.
I didn't even think about working out the bottom layer permutation during inspection. Instead I tried to use inspection to see which OLL case I would get. Is it better to know bottom layer permutation? Possibly, since OLL recognition is already pretty fast...
I'll look for Chris Olson's video!
I didn't even think about working out the bottom layer permutation during inspection. Instead I tried to use inspection to see which OLL case I would get. Is it better to know bottom layer permutation? Possibly, since OLL recognition is already pretty fast...
I'll look for Chris Olson's video!
Logiqx
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Use inspection to plan the first face, determine bottom layer permutation and if you can see far enough, predict the OLL. You shouldn't need to look at the bottom layer beyond inspection.
It's also worth learning 2x2 algs for OLL as they are faster than 3x3 algs. Chris Olson has a good selection on his website.
Logiqx
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I've just picked up a delivery of cubes which I missed whilst I was on holiday. It arrived the first day that I was away! I've been really excited about this order and could have had them twelve days ago if I was at home. Better late than never...
Valk 3 - Serious contender for 2H main, possible OH main
Gan 356 Air - New commuter cube, possible 2H main
WeiLong GTS (spare) - current main (certainly for OH) but may be replaced by the Valk 3
Weipo - Instant 2x2 main, beating my LingPo hands down
I'll report back in a couple of days when I've broken them in a bit.
Valk 3 - Serious contender for 2H main, possible OH main
Gan 356 Air - New commuter cube, possible 2H main
WeiLong GTS (spare) - current main (certainly for OH) but may be replaced by the Valk 3
Weipo - Instant 2x2 main, beating my LingPo hands down
I'll report back in a couple of days when I've broken them in a bit.
Logiqx
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JohnnyReggae
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@SenorJuan - Get well soon dude ... I commute to work on my bicycle and have been fairly lucky to not have any major injuries. I have hit 3 car doors and 4 pedestrians and have had to replace my front wheel twice, once from a car door and once from a pedestrian. When you are able I would recommend getting back on the horse.
@JanW - I've found being CN with 2x2 quite easy and not like trying to be CN on 3x3, which I can't do yet. I've recently picked up my 2x2 again just to drill the algs into my head again, usually while the kids are having their dinner. Have been averaging around 6 to 7 seconds which for me is pretty good.
@JanW - I've found being CN with 2x2 quite easy and not like trying to be CN on 3x3, which I can't do yet. I've recently picked up my 2x2 again just to drill the algs into my head again, usually while the kids are having their dinner. Have been averaging around 6 to 7 seconds which for me is pretty good.
muchacho
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2x2 PBs (thanks KungFu)
Ao5: 4.468 (was 5.136 from 26-jun)
Ao12: 5.190 (was 5.546 from last week)
Mo100: 6.486 (was 6.884 from last week)
Getting a sub-6.5 Mo100 was my goal for this summer so quite happy ...Now I'll try to get the last goal, a sub-20 3x3 Mo100... in my dreams :rolleyes:
Ao5: 4.468 (was 5.136 from 26-jun)
Ao12: 5.190 (was 5.546 from last week)
Mo100: 6.486 (was 6.884 from last week)
Getting a sub-6.5 Mo100 was my goal for this summer so quite happy
...Now I'll try to get the last goal, a sub-20 3x3 Mo100... in my dreams :rolleyes:
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mafergut
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So what did you do to the KungFu to make it usable?2x2 PBs (thanks KungFu)
Ao5: 4.468 (was 5.136 from 26-jun)
Ao12: 5.190 (was 5.546 from last week)
Mo100: 6.486 (was 6.884 from last week)
Getting a sub-6.5 Mo100 was my goal for this summer so quite happy
muchacho
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I removed the green and added black... no joke, that's it.
ok, I adjusted the tensions of the cube since it was a bit loose and the core got jammed? a couple of times, but then the cube was not the same, not only slower but also worse, maybe I did something wrong when putting it back together.
So I took the (external) pieces from that cube (I had bought a stickerless and a black one) and put them into the other core. The cube may be a bit too fast and the corners flex? wobble? too much, but it's almost fine and I'm scared of changing anything since I don't know what happened to the other cube. So I have not lubed or tensioned this one. One of the 3 pieces of a corner popped again today, I would like to do something about that, but won't.
ok, I adjusted the tensions of the cube since it was a bit loose and the core got jammed? a couple of times, but then the cube was not the same, not only slower but also worse, maybe I did something wrong when putting it back together.
So I took the (external) pieces from that cube (I had bought a stickerless and a black one) and put them into the other core. The cube may be a bit too fast and the corners flex? wobble? too much, but it's almost fine and I'm scared of changing anything since I don't know what happened to the other cube. So I have not lubed or tensioned this one. One of the 3 pieces of a corner popped again today, I would like to do something about that, but won't.
