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Yeah, hard... I don't even try, I do U U instead of U2 during LSE, and also no M2 most of the time.

I also use the right hand for M/M'. I can't see clearly, do you do M with right pinky pushing from FD to BD?
 
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If I can manage to learn full OLL for 2lll, this should help quite a bit.

Do you really mean "full OLL" when you are using ZZ? You only need the 7 OCLL cases and 21 PLL cases. I'd also recommend learning COLL so that you have the option of COLL + EPLL or OCLL + PLL.

Sub 18 ao5! It is required to share any PBs here right? :)

Wow. Great improvement and nearly sub-20 globally!

Is any of you guys registered on http://cubingtime.com/ ?

I'm registered but I haven't done anything with it yet. It was more out of curiosity to see what features it provides.
 
Do you really mean "full OLL" when you are using ZZ? You only need the 7 OCLL cases and 21 PLL cases. I'd also recommend learning COLL so that you have the option of COLL + EPLL or OCLL + PLL.
Sorry, typo. Meant PLL, of course. Regarding COLL, I might look into that at some point, but first I must learn PLL. Learning PLL is one of the main reasons I switched to ZZ, and COLL would make full PLL reduntant.

I already know 3/6 COLL algs for the L case. I might learn the rest and use COLL whenever the L comes up.
 
ZZ progress - PBs 1/5/12: 25.43/28.13/32.12

The single was 1lll with a 2GLL case I recognized (back sune). I had one more completely separate Sub-30 Ao5 later in the session. However, the Ao50 PB (>35s) from 2 days ago still stands. Goes to show how uneven I am still at this point. Need to get rid of those >50s mess up solves somehow.

Also learned both J-perms. I'm quite comfortable with them while practicing the algs separately, but I only had one J-perm coming up in these last 50 solves, so haven't really got to test them in practice yet. Or maybe there was more cases that I didn't notice, if I performed an A-perm immediately without spotting the full bar on the back face...

With 10 badly oriented edges, I'm now mostly placing the 2 correctly oriented edges on the middle layer (not F or B layer), rotate F and B, then flip the 2 pieces left from the middle layer. I found this to be a very easy way to keep track of the edges that remain to be oriented, which frees up brain capacity to plan movement of the two line edges. This is probably not always move optimal. Is this a good strategy, or should I try to get away from such non-optimal habits asap?
 
Nice Roux single, @h2f, Grzegorz, and very nice progress at ZZ, @JanW. Both of you are inspiring me to get back to those methods that I just barely learned, practiced for a week or two and forgot about. My ideal for ZZ would be to learn full COLL and have 100% EPLL every time at OH :)

By the way, I started today my 5x5 practice regime (I hope I won't get worse at 4x4 during the next 2-3 weeks). Already starting to pay, after 8 solves I finally got my first sub-4min with a 3:46.xx. Now I'll try to repeat it :)

Ouch! I repeated the sub-4 but none as good as the first one... so close to sub-4 Ao5:
avg of 5: 4:00.53 = (3:46.55), 3:57.83, 4:04.52, (4:28.67), 3:59.23
 
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PBs, but not by much. Also, 19000 timed solves already :eek:

Ao12: 20.665 (was 20.871 from 20-may)
Mo100: 22.970 (was 23.256 from 11-may)

18966 29-may-2016 19:02:44 00:22.823 U' R2 U' F2 R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 U' R' L B' U' B2 R F U L2 U2 L' U'
18965 29-may-2016 19:01:52 00:24.915 D2 L2 F2 D B2 D B2 D2 U' R2 L2 F' L D' F U' R2 F2 D' U2 R'
18964 29-may-2016 19:01:00 00:22.503 D L2 U2 R2 L2 U' B2 R2 B2 R2 U2 R' D' F' L B2 D2 L B' D R' U'
18963 29-may-2016 19:00:18 00:20.071 B2 U' B2 U' F2 D R2 L2 F2 U2 F2 R D' B' R B D F' R' F' U2
18962 29-may-2016 18:59:34 00:21.735 R2 D' B2 D L2 F2 L2 B2 D2 F2 U L D2 F R2 B2 R' D' U' L B L'
18961 29-may-2016 18:58:57 00:18.334 D' R2 U' R2 D' B2 L2 D B2 R2 D F' R' F' R' U B L2 D2 U B
18960 29-may-2016 18:58:10 00:20.919 L2 B2 D' F2 D2 U' F2 D2 B2 R2 B2 R L B' U R2 L2 D' B' U2 L U
18959 29-may-2016 18:57:13 00:20.359 B2 R2 U' F2 U2 R2 U' L2 D' L2 B2 R' U2 F L2 D2 R U2 L2 F2
18958 29-may-2016 18:56:21 00:22.158 B2 U' B2 D' B2 D L2 B2 L2 U B D' L' D' U2 R' B' F2 D2 F U2
18957 29-may-2016 18:55:36 00:19.486 R2 B2 F2 D B2 D2 B2 U' B2 F2 D' B U' F2 L2 U' F2 L D F R' U'
18956 29-may-2016 18:54:54 00:15.381 R2 F2 U L2 U' F2 D' R2 D' F2 U2 L F' U2 L U2 F2 U R' U2 L' U'
18955 29-may-2016 18:54:08 00:18.271 D2 R2 F2 L2 B2 D U' B2 L2 D R B' U2 R2 B L2 B R D' B' D

19001 29-may-2016 19:35:46 00:23.583 R2 D U2 F2 R2 D' R2 D R2 D2 F2 L' B' F2 D2 R2 B' L2 B U' F'
19000 29-may-2016 19:34:52 00:18.863 D R2 L2 U B2 D' R2 D2 U' R2 B2 R' F2 L U2 B2 U B2 F' D U2
18999 29-may-2016 19:34:08 00:23.910 B2 U L2 F2 D2 L2 D R2 D L2 U' B L F' D2 L U' R U B' U L2
18998 29-may-2016 19:33:20 00:21.479 U R2 L2 F2 U B2 U' B2 D' B2 D2 L F D U' B2 F L2 U' B2 U
18997 29-may-2016 19:32:26 00:23.983 L2 U F2 L2 U' B2 U' F2 U2 R2 B' R2 B R D L' B2 L2 B' F
18996 29-may-2016 19:31:42 00:20.815 U R2 L2 B2 R2 D' F2 R2 U' F2 D B' R' F R' L' D B2 D F' L' D'
18995 29-may-2016 19:30:55 00:22.214 D L2 D R2 D B2 U2 R2 B2 L2 F' U B R D' L2 F2 L' D2 B2 D
18994 29-may-2016 19:30:08 00:18.687 D' B2 R2 B2 F2 U2 L2 U' R2 L2 U R D2 B R2 U L B2 U' R D B'
18993 29-may-2016 19:29:14 00:21.966 B2 U' B2 U' L2 U L2 U2 R2 U' F2 R U2 B F' R' U' F U2 R U'
18992 29-may-2016 19:28:27 00:23.446 L2 B2 F2 D U2 L2 U2 L2 F2 D' F R' L2 B' F2 D L F R2 F2 U2
18991 29-may-2016 19:27:39 00:24.406 B2 R2 L2 U2 F2 D' F2 D' R2 F2 D B' U B' D F2 D F R L D
18990 29-may-2016 19:26:53 00:23.749 B2 D L2 D R2 L2 D L2 D' L2 D2 B F' D2 B2 R U2 F U F2 U'
18989 29-may-2016 19:26:05 00:25.750 L2 D' F2 U L2 U' R2 D' R2 D R2 B U L D B F R2 U' F2 L U
18988 29-may-2016 19:25:10 00:24.158 U' B2 U F2 U' R2 D' F2 L2 D2 U' B F' U B2 L' U B2 L F2 L U
18987 29-may-2016 19:24:13 00:18.775 R2 L2 D F2 U L2 F2 D2 L2 D2 R B U2 R B' F R2 D U' R' U2
18986 29-may-2016 19:23:27 00:22.463 F2 U' R2 U B2 U L2 D2 R2 D2 F' R B2 D B U' L F2 U B' R
18985 29-may-2016 19:22:42 00:18.894 D' F2 L2 U' B2 L2 B2 D B2 U' F' R2 F L' D2 U' F2 R F2 U
18984 29-may-2016 19:21:48 00:28.575 B2 L2 D2 L2 U B2 U B2 F2 D' F R B U F U2 R2 B2 R'
18983 29-may-2016 19:20:48 00:19.983 U L2 U' F2 L2 F2 R2 U B2 D2 B2 R' L U' B F D' L2 D' F2 R2 D'
18982 29-may-2016 19:20:00 00:17.879 D B2 D2 R2 L2 D' B2 D2 R2 D2 U2 R' F2 R' D2 R' U' B' D U' F' U
18981 29-may-2016 19:19:12 00:20.479 F2 L2 B2 R2 D B2 R2 D U2 F2 U2 F' B2 L2 D' L' B' D2 B2 U' L U2
18980 29-may-2016 19:18:07 00:23.166 L2 B2 F2 D R2 U' R2 L2 U' F2 U2 R B2 D' B U B' L U B' R2 U'
18979 29-may-2016 19:17:29 00:16.192 U B2 F2 R2 D U2 F2 R2 U R2 D F' B2 L' D B L D' U2 B' L D'
18978 29-may-2016 19:16:46 00:22.574 B2 F2 D' B2 U2 F2 U2 L2 U R2 U B' D R B R D' L B2 R' D2
18977 29-may-2016 19:15:56 00:18.303 D' B2 D L2 U B2 U2 R2 B2 U' R U' B D L F2 R' D
18976 29-may-2016 19:14:14 00:27.614 B2 U F2 R2 L2 D2 F2 L2 U L2 D' F' R' U R' D L U' F' R' L D2
18975 29-may-2016 19:13:22 00:27.671 R2 D2 L2 D F2 U2 L2 U B2 D B R B' U2 B2 F' U L F
18974 29-may-2016 19:12:33 00:25.471 B2 D F2 D' F2 L2 D2 L2 U2 L U' F U B' R2 B' U L B2 U'
18973 29-may-2016 19:11:45 00:22.070 B2 U' B2 L2 U' F2 D B2 L2 D' U2 B R F' L U B2 R' B U F D'
18972 29-may-2016 19:10:59 00:20.414 B2 D' B2 F2 D2 L2 B2 U B2 D' L' D' U' L' B U F R' L2 D' U'
18971 29-may-2016 19:10:12 00:25.470 D L2 U B2 F2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 D B' F U B' D2 L D R' F2 U2 L'
18970 29-may-2016 19:09:25 00:23.119 U F2 D L2 D F2 R2 L2 D' F2 U' F D B' D R' F2 L' F L F' D'
18969 29-may-2016 19:08:40 00:22.360 L2 D' R2 B2 R2 B2 D L2 U L2 D2 L' B R D' F R U' F2 L D U2
18968 29-may-2016 19:07:56 00:20.328 B2 F2 L2 F2 U B2 D F2 U B2 D F R' L2 U L D2 R F L2 D' L2
18967 29-may-2016 19:07:11 00:19.764 D' B2 D B2 F2 U B2 F2 U F2 L' B' U2 F U2 L' U2 L B2 F' U'
18966 29-may-2016 19:02:44 00:22.823 U' R2 U' F2 R2 D2 F2 R2 D2 U' R' L B' U' B2 R F U L2 U2 L' U'
18965 29-may-2016 19:01:52 00:24.915 D2 L2 F2 D B2 D B2 D2 U' R2 L2 F' L D' F U' R2 F2 D' U2 R'
18964 29-may-2016 19:01:00 00:22.503 D L2 U2 R2 L2 U' B2 R2 B2 R2 U2 R' D' F' L B2 D2 L B' D R' U'
18963 29-may-2016 19:00:18 00:20.071 B2 U' B2 U' F2 D R2 L2 F2 U2 F2 R D' B' R B D F' R' F' U2
18962 29-may-2016 18:59:34 00:21.735 R2 D' B2 D L2 F2 L2 B2 D2 F2 U L D2 F R2 B2 R' D' U' L B L'
18961 29-may-2016 18:58:57 00:18.334 D' R2 U' R2 D' B2 L2 D B2 R2 D F' R' F' R' U B L2 D2 U B
18960 29-may-2016 18:58:10 00:20.919 L2 B2 D' F2 D2 U' F2 D2 B2 R2 B2 R L B' U R2 L2 D' B' U2 L U
18959 29-may-2016 18:57:13 00:20.359 B2 R2 U' F2 U2 R2 U' L2 D' L2 B2 R' U2 F L2 D2 R U2 L2 F2
18958 29-may-2016 18:56:21 00:22.158 B2 U' B2 D' B2 D L2 B2 L2 U B D' L' D' U2 R' B' F2 D2 F U2
18957 29-may-2016 18:55:36 00:19.486 R2 B2 F2 D B2 D2 B2 U' B2 F2 D' B U' F2 L2 U' F2 L D F R' U'
18956 29-may-2016 18:54:54 00:15.381 R2 F2 U L2 U' F2 D' R2 D' F2 U2 L F' U2 L U2 F2 U R' U2 L' U'
18955 29-may-2016 18:54:08 00:18.271 D2 R2 F2 L2 B2 D U' B2 L2 D R B' U2 R2 B L2 B R D' B' D
18954 29-may-2016 18:53:17 00:23.278 D' B2 U F2 L2 D2 B2 U' F2 U R2 F' L2 U' B' D2 L2 U' R D R2 U'
18953 29-may-2016 18:52:26 00:26.942 D' F2 L2 D2 B2 U' L2 U' F2 L2 U2 F R B' D' B' L2 B' L' B
18952 29-may-2016 18:51:34 00:26.719 D' L2 U B2 U2 F2 R2 L2 U2 L2 U' F R' B2 F' R2 D' F' R B2 F2 U'
18951 29-may-2016 18:50:45 00:23.774 D2 L2 F2 D2 U' B2 F2 R2 B2 D' U' R D U' L B' D2 U R2 F' R' D'
18950 29-may-2016 18:49:56 00:24.007 U R2 B2 U' F2 D2 L2 F2 R2 U' R2 F' R2 D F2 D' L2 D F' L B'
18949 29-may-2016 18:49:05 00:24.078 D' U F2 R2 F2 L2 U' F2 D' F2 D2 F' R2 L' F D2 R' L D R' B L'
18948 29-may-2016 18:48:09 00:29.934 D L2 U' B2 U' L2 D2 R2 B2 L2 U' L U' F' R' F2 U B' U' L D'
18947 29-may-2016 18:47:17 00:22.790 U L2 B2 F2 U2 F2 U' B2 U' F2 D' L' F' U' F U2 R' B2 D' B2 L2
18946 29-may-2016 18:46:35 00:22.662 D2 R2 D2 R2 F2 D2 B2 L2 U F2 U' L B R2 D' U L' B' D R2 L' U2
18945 29-may-2016 18:45:48 00:23.527 L2 B2 F2 U L2 F2 D R2 B2 D R F' L2 D' B U' F L' U R2 U'
18944 29-may-2016 18:44:43 00:42.039 R2 D2 B2 U' F2 U F2 R2 D U' R' D2 L' U B D B2 U' B2 R U2
18943 29-may-2016 18:43:38 00:35.173 D2 B2 D2 R2 B2 U' L2 U L2 U' B2 L U L' B2 L B' R U' L' U
18942 29-may-2016 18:42:57 00:20.823 B2 F2 D' R2 L2 U' L2 D' R2 B2 D F L' U F R' B R2 L B2 R2 D'
18941 29-may-2016 18:42:12 00:22.126 R2 L2 F2 D' R2 U R2 U2 F2 U' R F L D R2 U2 B2 D' R2 B'
18940 29-may-2016 18:41:28 00:20.095 F2 D' L2 B2 D B2 R2 D R2 F2 U2 F' L2 F' U2 L U' R' U2 R2 U2
18939 29-may-2016 18:40:40 00:23.557 F2 D L2 D F2 L2 D' U2 F2 D R B D R D L U F' R'
18938 29-may-2016 18:40:01 00:18.111 B2 U R2 B2 U R2 U2 R2 U' L2 U' L U R F2 D' R' U' B R L'
18937 29-may-2016 18:39:16 00:24.926 D' R2 D' R2 F2 D R2 U L2 D' F R' L' U' F' R B U2 F R D2
18936 29-may-2016 18:38:26 00:21.622 R2 D2 L2 F2 U R2 F2 R2 U' L2 B' L F2 D' U B D2 B R L' U'
18935 29-may-2016 18:37:37 00:24.039 R2 D' F2 U' R2 D R2 L2 U R2 F2 R F' U' F L' D L U F' D'
18934 29-may-2016 18:36:56 00:18.943 R2 B2 D2 R2 U2 R2 U' R2 L2 D' U' B' R' F' L2 B' R U L B D' F'
18933 29-may-2016 18:36:15 00:20.134 B2 D F2 L2 D' F2 D L2 B2 L2 B2 R' B' F' L2 F' R' U L' F U'
18932 29-may-2016 18:35:28 00:21.703 D' B2 D' F2 U2 R2 L2 U' B2 L2 U F' D' F R' L' U L' B' L' F U'
18931 29-may-2016 18:34:39 00:28.731 L2 B2 F2 D B2 U2 R2 F2 R2 D L2 B' R' F2 R F' U L D R' B
18930 29-may-2016 18:33:47 00:21.869 D' R2 D U L2 F2 L2 F2 U B2 R' U R' U2 L F' U2 B2 L2
18929 29-may-2016 18:33:04 00:20.479 F2 U2 R2 D' B2 F2 U' R2 F2 R2 D' L' B2 F' R' L D' L F' U F L2
18928 29-may-2016 18:31:02 00:21.351 L2 D' R2 B2 D R2 B2 F2 D' R2 U F L F D F L B' D' B2 R U2
18927 29-may-2016 18:30:12 00:23.687 F2 L2 F2 L2 D U2 B2 D R2 D' U B R U2 L D' R' L F L B
18926 29-may-2016 18:29:23 00:20.599 D2 U R2 B2 D' U' R2 B2 R2 U' B2 R L' F' U L' D' F' U' L D' U'
18925 29-may-2016 18:28:38 00:22.879 R2 L2 U L2 F2 U2 L2 D B2 U' F2 L' F2 L' U L' U R2 F L' U'
18924 29-may-2016 18:27:50 00:25.502 R2 F2 R2 U' B2 F2 L2 D' L2 U' F2 L D2 L B' R2 D R' U' L U2
18923 29-may-2016 18:27:01 00:27.615 B2 R2 D' B2 L2 D' U' R2 F2 D2 L2 B' R L2 B' L D' R D F' D2
18922 29-may-2016 18:26:08 00:29.942 F2 R2 L2 D B2 R2 D2 B2 U2 F2 D' B R' D U R2 L2 B' D2 B2 F' D'
18921 29-may-2016 18:25:24 00:19.710 R2 L2 D2 B2 D B2 U L2 U' F2 U R U L' D2 B F' D2 U R2 F' U2
18920 29-may-2016 18:24:32 00:24.502 U B2 U F2 D' B2 L2 D B2 F2 R2 F D R2 F2 U2 R U' F D' R' D'
18919 29-may-2016 17:57:51 00:25.703 U R2 U' F2 D2 U' F2 R2 U' R' D' U L B' D2 U L B' L' D'
18918 29-may-2016 17:57:01 00:29.558 L2 U B2 U2 F2 D' F2 R2 U2 L2 D' F' B2 L B D' B2 U2 L' D' U2
18917 29-may-2016 17:56:15 00:19.630 L2 F2 L2 D' R2 D' F2 U2 L2 B2 R2 B F D R2 L' F2 D2 F U' L2 U
18916 29-may-2016 17:55:22 00:28.246 L2 F2 D' F2 D' U2 B2 R2 U' R2 D' L' U F D' L' D R2 B' U2 L D2
18915 29-may-2016 17:54:31 00:25.352 D2 R2 B2 U' R2 B2 U' R2 D2 U' L2 F U R' U R2 L' U2 F' L
18914 29-may-2016 17:53:47 00:22.877 U' B2 D2 F2 U R2 D' F2 D B2 F2 L D2 R B' R2 F2 R U L' U
18913 29-may-2016 17:52:50 00:25.335 U2 R2 D' R2 B2 U R2 U B2 U' L D2 U' F R' U' L' U' L2 B2
18912 29-may-2016 17:52:09 00:22.367 L2 B2 D R2 D2 F2 D2 F2 R2 F2 U' B' U2 R B2 R2 B' R2 U' R' D2 U'
18911 29-may-2016 17:51:10 00:30.990 D' L2 D' L2 U' R2 D B2 R2 F2 U2 R' D' F2 R' U2 F' D2 F2 D' F'
18910 29-may-2016 17:50:26 00:20.559 L2 D R2 U L2 B2 U B2 R2 F2 U R B2 D' B2 U2 B' F' R U2 L' U'
18909 29-may-2016 17:49:36 00:25.550 U' L2 U2 B2 R2 B2 L2 D2 L' F' L2 U B' L' U2 B R' D2 U
18908 29-may-2016 17:48:49 00:21.638 B2 U L2 F2 D F2 R2 F2 L2 U L D' U' R D B U' B' D' U2
18907 29-may-2016 17:48:04 00:20.228 F2 U2 R2 D R2 B2 F2 U' F2 D U' L B' D F' R' L B2 D R' U
18906 29-may-2016 17:47:20 00:20.711 R2 U' L2 B2 U F2 D L2 B2 F2 U2 L' D2 L U F2 D2 F2 R B L2 U2
18905 29-may-2016 17:46:34 00:18.374 F2 L2 B2 L2 U' F2 U R2 B2 R2 B' L2 F2 U' B2 D R L D'
18904 29-may-2016 17:45:50 00:21.293 F2 D' R2 F2 L2 B2 D2 U' R2 D U2 B L2 U' R' D2 R' D' L B R' U'
18903 29-may-2016 17:45:07 00:23.150 L2 F2 U2 B2 L2 D' B2 U' L2 D' U' B' D' F U' F' U' R' B' F L2
18902 29-may-2016 17:44:21 00:22.055 F2 L2 U' R2 F2 U' F2 U' L2 D' U F' R2 L' B2 R' U' R' B2 D' L
 
PBs, but not by much. Also, 19000 timed solves already :eek:

Ao12: 20.665 (was 20.871 from 20-may)
Mo100: 22.970 (was 23.256 from 11-may)

Nice! It's amazing how the thousands of solves start to accumulate :)
Also, PB Ao5 3x3 OH 38.43. Mi previous one was 38.50 from my 1st time in the weekly competition, months ago. This was again the Ao5 for this weeks's WC :)
 
There I got a better ao100. I took a little break around midway. I was tired towards the end and thought I should finish later, but we will be out of time tonight so I pushed through. It's good discipline I guess to keep those 35 and 40 second solves, and then number 99 was a DNF. Like I saw it after I stopped the timer and felt really ticked. I thought I better not DNF this average!!
 
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