newtonbase
Premium Member
Yes. It's common to see people bring big cubes to the solving table when competing in 3x3. I've always thought it's like playing snooker to warm up for pool.
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mafergut
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I would prefer to warm-up with exactly whatever I'm going to compete on. It takes a while for me to adapt from let's say 4x4 to 3x3 turning. I'd even prefer to have two identical cubes if possible. That's also the reason I have decided to change my training regime and try to stick for a couple of weeks at least to the same event.
For now it looks like it's working. After 1 month I finally beat my 4x4 Ao5 and Ao12. I'm sure the change to 3-2-3 pairing plays a role too. New Ao5 PB 1:27.xx (was 1:30) and Ao12 1:35.xx (was 1:37). Did an Ao25 today for an overall average of 1:37.xx. Taking into account that I've been failing the 4x4 race thread to sub 1:45 for three weeks in a row it looks promising for next week.
Also, by the way, I think I'm gonna change 3x3 main from Tanglong to Yuexiao. After solving for some time with the Yuexiao now my Tanglong feels so heavy to turn... Only issue with Yuexiao is the catches of the corner points agains centers now and then. Maybe I should file them off a bit as @MarcelP suggested.
For now it looks like it's working. After 1 month I finally beat my 4x4 Ao5 and Ao12. I'm sure the change to 3-2-3 pairing plays a role too. New Ao5 PB 1:27.xx (was 1:30) and Ao12 1:35.xx (was 1:37). Did an Ao25 today for an overall average of 1:37.xx. Taking into account that I've been failing the 4x4 race thread to sub 1:45 for three weeks in a row it looks promising for next week.
Also, by the way, I think I'm gonna change 3x3 main from Tanglong to Yuexiao. After solving for some time with the Yuexiao now my Tanglong feels so heavy to turn... Only issue with Yuexiao is the catches of the corner points agains centers now and then. Maybe I should file them off a bit as @MarcelP suggested.
Jason Green
Veteran
It seems like the only time I notice corners catching on my Yuexiao are on the A perms. I still really like it overall though!
mafergut
Legend
When I seem to notice it more is when trying to do an F' by pushing up on DFR with my right thumb and I have the R face a bit misaligned forward (in clockwise direction. Then the UFR corner catches on the U center. For example at the end of a T-perm if I don't do a complete R' before the final F.
By the way, I finished a full Ao50 (probably the 1st time I do a 4x4 Ao50 in one sitting). Got a 1:39.xx average. Not bad but still a long way to go until I get close to 4 times my global 3x3 average, which would be around 1:20.
h2f
Premium Member
Sorry for kind of accomplishment but I've made pbs twice doing scrambles for weekly comp on fb group. First 18.15 with LSE skip (I've messed during SB) and next 16.22 full step. Reconstruction:
F R2 B R2 F2 L2 R2 F' U2 L D2 F D' L' R F R D2 B2
z y'
u' F2 u U' L' U' L U L' U' L//I did like f2l because I was sure it will preserve edge and pair on right
R' U2 R U' r U r' U' R' U' R U' R' U r//
U U' R U R' U' R' F R F'
M' U2 M U2 M' U M U' M' U2 M U M2 U
alg.cubing.net
50stm/16.22 = 3,08 TPS
Finally a decent solve
F R2 B R2 F2 L2 R2 F' U2 L D2 F D' L' R F R D2 B2
z y'
u' F2 u U' L' U' L U L' U' L//I did like f2l because I was sure it will preserve edge and pair on right
R' U2 R U' r U r' U' R' U' R U' R' U r//
U U' R U R' U' R' F R F'
M' U2 M U2 M' U M U' M' U2 M U M2 U
alg.cubing.net
50stm/16.22 = 3,08 TPS
Finally a decent solve
mafergut
Legend
Nice! So you are now doing the weekly comp solves with Roux? Wow! I have to confess that even though I'm trying to become full CN at 3x3 CFOP for the weekly comp I revert to white & yello to get better times. I shouldn't care that much
A piece of trivia. I gave you your hundredth like just a minute ago. Congratulations! I think you beat @mark49152 by just two
You are one of the most liked fellas in this thread 
muchacho
Veteran
Very nice, congrats!
18.61 F R2 B R2 F2 L2 R2 F' U2 L D2 F D' L' R F R D2 B2
y
R Rw2 Uw' F' R' U Rw F'
18.61 F R2 B R2 F2 L2 R2 F' U2 L D2 F D' L' R F R D2 B2
y
R Rw2 Uw' F' R' U Rw F'
h2f
Premium Member
Nice! So you are now doing the weekly comp solves with Roux? Wow! I have to confess that even though I'm trying to become full CN at 3x3 CFOP for the weekly comp I revert to white & yello to get better times. I shouldn't care that much
A piece of trivia. I gave you your hundredth like just a minute ago. Congratulations! I think you beat @mark49152 by just two
Thank you for kind words, I didnt notice the number of likes...
I think every fella in this thread deserve many likes.Yes, I'm trying to be CN in every solve but when it matters i stick with blue/green and white on bottom. In this case it was worth to take green on bottom and take a risk messing SB.
Edit: your FB is very nice.
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muchacho
Veteran
Short but not that nice, probably y Rw' M Uw' U2 F L' U L or y Rw' M Uw' U2 F Rw' F could have been faster. I knew where the pieces of the second pair were going to be but was not sure how to pair them in inspection.
JanW
Veteran
Took the next step towards a ZZ transition today and learned 2-look PLL. Only 3 new algs, since I already use U, Z and H perm. I really like the A perms! Fast and easy to recognize, even with edges not in place. I wish I had learned them sooner. They would have been of great help every time I misread the corner positions, which happens a bit too often in my CPEOLL solves...
I think most people in this thread have went through the process of learning full PLL. Is it just a matter starting with 2-look PLL and adding more algs at whatever pace feels comfortable, or?
I notice 2-look OLL is also taught with some different algs for corner orientation than those I'm used to. (Mine preserve corner positions.) Looks like they are the most popular on algdb for those OLL cases, so I'd better give them a chance as well.
I think most people in this thread have went through the process of learning full PLL. Is it just a matter starting with 2-look PLL and adding more algs at whatever pace feels comfortable, or?
I notice 2-look OLL is also taught with some different algs for corner orientation than those I'm used to. (Mine preserve corner positions.) Looks like they are the most popular on algdb for those OLL cases, so I'd better give them a chance as well.
Jason Green
Veteran
Yes I learned full PLL and OLL pretty much at whatever place I felt comfortable. I think I went through PLL pretty quick. I delayed even starting OLL because it seemed overwhelming and I was focusing more on look ahead. One thing I would do different is dig through algdb and try them all to see which alg for each case feels best. I did that for a couple of OLLs but for the most part learned all from badmephisto's cheat sheets.
Edit: Normally I would learn two at a time, sometimes more sometimes only one. I tried doing all the G perms at once and they really messed with me for a few days.
Edit: Normally I would learn two at a time, sometimes more sometimes only one. I tried doing all the G perms at once and they really messed with me for a few days.
JanW
Veteran
Thanks Jason! I remember reading about people having problems with G perms. Could it make sense to start by learning those, before I'm confused by lots of other algs, and to give them more time to sink in? Or is it better to start with those that are easiest to recognize?
Jason Green
Veteran
I could see either way. For most people I think I would pick cases that have a high probability of occurring that look easy. To get momentum kind of. However if you knocked those out you might think it's all down hill from there.
Of course for some people those might not be the hardest so...It's not that they're that bad really. For me they were at the end and I was anxious to finish, and doing 4 at once was the bad idea. They are similar so I thought it'd be easy. But instead I would mix the turns from different cases a lot and that's where my struggle was, keeping them all straight start to end.
h2f
Premium Member
If I remeber it good G perms have the most probablity to occur. But for beginner I think they are awkward and hard to recognize it well. Maybe I'm wrong. Gperms are the algs I was working the most. I think @JanW you should start with J's and T and F - they are similiar. But it's just an opinion - any order is good if it leads you to knowing them all.
Jason Green
Veteran
There are quite a few that are 1 in 18, including the G's. At least according to the cheat sheet which I assume is correct, I never tried to do the math.
http://badmephisto.com/badmephisto-speedcubing-method.pdf
http://badmephisto.com/badmephisto-speedcubing-method.pdf
One Wheel
Legend
G perms are the ones I've found most helpful to mirror, and the ones I'm most likely to make a mistake in executing. I just remember one with a bar on the side and headlights on the opposite side, and another with a bar in front and headlights on the opposite side, and the first move for either alg starts with the bar.
Jason Green
Veteran
I have a question for all the sub 20ers, or everyone really. How many "special F2L" algs do you use. Like if you watch Chris Olson's advanced F2L videos he has many different ways to do lots of cases from different angles and such. I pretty much do each case in the same way with rotations if needed, which I know is bad.
For those of you that do use them do you have any tips on how to start? When I learned full OLL and PLL I would drill them until I learned them well, and then wait for them to come up in solves which was really fun. I guess it just feels like if I learn some of these they will show up so rarely I'll forget. Or maybe it's just the fact that there are an infinite number that messes with my head.
Perhaps WV would be more worthwhile. But quit trying to change the topic Jason.
For those of you that do use them do you have any tips on how to start? When I learned full OLL and PLL I would drill them until I learned them well, and then wait for them to come up in solves which was really fun. I guess it just feels like if I learn some of these they will show up so rarely I'll forget. Or maybe it's just the fact that there are an infinite number that messes with my head.
Perhaps WV would be more worthwhile.
But quit trying to change the topic Jason.
newtonbase
Premium Member
The thing with G-perms is that although they can be a bit tricky, once you know one then the others are mirrors and inverses so they are much easier to learn. eg when practising you can execute Ga on a solved cube to bring up the Gb case and just keep drilling them one after the other. You have 2 chances in 9 of needing one of them so they are important. I use Bob Burton's algs.
mark49152
Premium Member
G perms are not that bad. They are similar so good to learn together, and almost a quarter of solves end in one so it's silly to leave them out. I would say learn them earlier but not first - J, T, R, F are easier to start with and will get you some practice in learning new algs ready for the G4 challenge
.IMHO it's more important to be able to solve comfortably at every slot, using intuitive sequences that you are 100% comfortable in mirroring left/right and front/back. Also be able to adapt them, like set up a pair by extracting from one slot, but insert it to another. And be able to solve any case blind while you lookahead to track the next. All that's the foundation of F2L. Really fast guys learn shortcuts because there's nowhere else to go, but for less experienced cubers I suspect it would distract from core F2L skills.
