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@Raul - Good Luck. I've made few sighted solves so far and I must try 6bld blindfolded to see what problems are with doing memo and execution. And I'm little off blindfold solving this weekend due to lack of time (Easter time).
 
I've timed some megaminx solves where I'm using some basic pairing, a bit more than 6 minutes. S2L is hard, but F2L is easy, that part is not much slower than with beginners method.
 
@Michael: Nice fingertricks. The one I think I can do faster differently is the counterclockwise 3 cycle for LBL, where you do Us with backpush of the left index finger. I do that just as a mirror of the other one. I mean, doing L U L' U L U L' doing the Us with my right hand.

Also, I'm hooked with BLD learning right now. I just learned the (easy) algs for U and D targets for U2 centers and did a couple sighted solves of just the 4x4 centers. I still make some mistakes when thinking if I need and f or f' or l or l' to interchange the center pieces and also tend to forget whether I did a d/d' or u/u' setup move for targets like FDL or BUL, for example, but I'm getting better at it. Maybe a good way to avoid that last mistake would be to either do u2 or d2 or just do always the same like d or u' (left hand) and d' or u to undo (right hand). What do you recommend?

I think it's time to go back to 3x3 and learn M2 once and for all. I just wanted to try 4BLD at this weekly comp but I'm far from ready for the challenge as M2/r2 need some more algs that I cannot pretend to learn on the spot. Also there's the parity algs... :( Right now I only know the one for U2 centers :p
 
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Also, I'm hooked with BLD learning right now. I just learned the (easy) algs for U and D targets for U2 centers and did a couple sighted solves of just the 4x4 centers. I still make some mistakes when thinking if I need and f or f' or l or l' to interchange the center pieces and also tend to forget whether I did a d/d' or u/u' setup move for targets like FDL or BUL, for example, but I'm getting better at it. Maybe a good way to avoid that last mistake would be to either do u2 or d2 or just do always the same like d or u' (left hand) and d' or u to undo (right hand). What do you recommend?

I think it's time to go back to 3x3 and learn M2 once and for all. I just wanted to try 4BLD at this weekly comp but I'm far from ready for the challenge as M2/r2 need some more algs that I cannot pretend to learn on the spot. Also there's the parity algs... :( Right now I only know the one for U2 centers :p
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For the centers, I think that's only a matter of time to do always the same. My advice would be: do what seems natural to you and you'll get used to it pretty soon.

Also, for M2 or r2 you really don'r need to learn any algs, it's enough with simple set up moves before a letter pair that contains a "difficult" target.
 
APdRF said:
For the centers, I think that's only a matter of time to do always the same. My advice would be: do what seems natural to you and you'll get used to it pretty soon.

Also, for M2 or r2 you really don'r need to learn any algs, it's enough with simple set up moves before a letter pair that contains a "difficult" target.
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Well, right now I'm on M2 with Noah's tutorial and I've already covered the outer and inner targets. For those the setups, as you say, are obvious and don't need to be memorized. I'm referring to the M-slice targets. I'm right now midway through them. The flipping alg for the BU (Q) target is intuitive enough and BU (A) is piece of cake :p. U2 M' U2 M' and its inverse for UF (C) and DB (W) are also easy to learn, the only two that seem a lilttle bit longer are the ones for FU (I) and BD (S).

I remember that somebody posted the algs they were using here, I need to search for those to see if there are any alternatives. I also think somebody said that for the 4 targets in the M slice that were affected by odd/even target it was better to just fix that during memo, so in they are even targets just memo C instead of W and viceversa and same with I and S (Speffz letter scheme). Am I right?

Edit: Found all that discussion on page 735
 
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I also think somebody said that for the 4 targets in the M slice that were affected by odd/even target it was better to just fix that during memo, so in they are even targets just memo C instead of W and viceversa and same with I and S (Speffz letter scheme). Am I right?
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Yes :). In my opinion, anyway. It makes for less thinking during execution.
 
mafergut said:
@Michael: Nice fingertricks. The one I think I can do faster differently is the counterclockwise 3 cycle for LBL, where you do Us with backpush of the left index finger. I do that just as a mirror of the other one. I mean, doing L U L' U L U L' doing the Us with my right hand.
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Thanks. I was considering this myself whilst doing the video. I'll give it another go when I next do some practice.

I found some of the cases a bit tricky, reaching around the tripod and in view of the camera. The "pressure" of filming also lead to a few fails as well!
 
Logiqx said:
Thanks. I was considering this myself whilst doing the video. I'll give it another go when I next do some practice.

I found some of the cases a bit tricky, reaching around the tripod and in view of the camera. The "pressure" of filming also lead to a few fails as well!
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Yeah, it's complicated to do that with the camera in between you and the puzzle. Anyway, I was just meaning that I can do that alg faster than I can do the one you filmed, not faster than you :)
 
mafergut said:
Well, right now I'm on M2 with Noah's tutorial and I've already covered the outer and inner targets. For those the setups, as you say, are obvious and don't need to be memorized. I'm referring to the M-slice targets. I'm right now midway through them. The flipping alg for the BU (Q) target is intuitive enough and BU (A) is piece of cake :p. U2 M' U2 M' and its inverse for UF (C) and DB (W) are also easy to learn, the only two that seem a lilttle bit longer are the ones for FU (I) and BD (S).
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If you have the DB target in a letter pair, for example DF->FR->BD, you can do a B before executing the letter pair, then execute DF->FR->BR, then B'. Easy enough :P
 
My 9 year old nephew has done his first solves. I got him a Weilong 2 years ago when I had first started but he wasn't very interested. He's a high achiever but isn't too keen on stuff that he can't do straight away. This changed as he came to spectate at the Manchester comp and got the bug. His first solve was 3 mins and he's now sub 2. He's such a clever kid that I expect he'll be properly competitive quite soon.
 
I showed him on holiday last August but he didn't keep up with it enough to get past a layer. I had suggested Bad Mephisto but I'm waiting to see a video to check his method. He lives a couple of hundred miles away so I don't have the influence I'd like. I've already told his mum to make sure he's colour neutral.
 
I've been stationary on the M1 for the past 50 minutes and haven't moved a millimiter. The lady in the car next to me is reading a book. Guess what I'm doing . ;)

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Just got this while practicing for Dallas comp! I'm going to try and reconstruct, it was a super nice scramble. :)

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Edit: I think it's give forever, I can't even figure out what cross I did. Maybe I messed up the scramble??
 
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If you have the DB target in a letter pair, for example DF->FR->BD, you can do a B before executing the letter pair, then execute DF->FR->BR, then B'. Easy enough :P
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Nice advanced trick. So unless you have it as the last and lone target in a cube with parity you can always do that and avoid the longish alg, right? Am I assuming too much if I say that, for the FU (I) target you can do a similar thing with, let's say U' and changing the FU target to RU, executing the pair and then undoing the setup with U?

For the other 2 targets DB (W) and UF (C), even though you could do something similar I also asume it is not worth it as the alg is in fact shorter than the setup + M2 + undo setup sequence.

I could do the example solve in the last part of Noah's tutorial with a success!!! And now I can't get off my mind the sound memo for the edges shin-had-safe pub-ick-oa :) and his friend Jo is still eating a Pie on an XL barBQ (for me BQ is a barBQ, in English :)). I just need to review the algs a couple times more, including the parity one, and I'm all set to start trying some slow solves with M2!!! I think I'll give it a go at sound memo for edges as he suggests.

By the way, another question, with OP is used to memo corners then edges and execute in the same order but for OP/M2 I think the best approach (simpler parity fix) is to execute edges and the corners. Do you all do it that way?
 
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Nice advanced trick. So unless you have it as the last and lone target in a cube with parity you can always do that and avoid the longish alg, right? Am I assuming too much if I say that, for the FU (I) target you can do a similar thing with, let's say U' and changing the FU target to RU, executing the pair and then undoing the setup with U?
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https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?56076-Advanced-M2-guide

Check out the other tricks for DB and FU, and also see Ollie's comments about using them as alternative targets. These two stickers look bad when you first learn M2, but are actually among the most efficient to solve.
 
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