Older cubers discussions

[mark49152]

What's peoples problem with B moves?

I have a few algs with B moves but generally they are harder to make work. Often they morph into something else, e.g. R B' will be executed more like l U'.

 

[MarcelP]

And the X-man Tornado (QiYi Wind) is also excellent. It's like a super good Zhanchi (without the catches). The stickers a very nice and shiny. If you can go at fast TPS this is the cube for that. It is very light turning.

 

[newtonbase]

Looking at my blind edges algs for DB/BD I noticed that an M2 setup gives a nice U-perm. I know it's not new but is M2 U M' U2 M U M2 commonly used?

 

[Selkie]

First few solves with Gans 356 V2 Advanced. I like the cube, it feels more stable than the V1, but that might be the 'new cube' feeling. Other than that, I do not think that if you like your V1 you should invest in a V2. Just my 2 cents. It will be my main for now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52omHcSaHiQ&feature=youtu.be

Sorry Marcel, think you bought it from my recommendation

At last, sub 15 ao12 on film. That got a bit obsessive, going to concentrate on 5x5 and 6x6 and learning the rest of Winter Variation. Seen enough 3x3 recently to send me mad!!

Video to follow and lost the scrambles because I closed Chrome by mistake but ...

Average of 12: 14.89
1. 15.33
2. 13.49
3. 14.66
4. 13.44
5. 16.57
6. (12.32)
7. (DNF(21.20))
8. 16.50
9. 13.48
10. 14.37
11. 15.95
12. 15.14

 

[MarcelP]

Don't worry. I buy just about every new cube there is. I am pretty happy with it. I can afford it, so my message was to the young ones. nice video. Congrats on the sub 15. Did you do 2 step OLL in the first solve?

 

[Selkie]

Don't worry. I buy just about every new cube there is. I am pretty happy with it. I can afford it, so my message was to the young ones. nice video. Congrats on the sub 15. Did you do 2 step OLL in the first solve?

Not deliberately, in an effort to squeeze every last millisecond I messed up on recognition. Where do you get your cubes from? My last order was Cubicle.us but did not know if there was somewhere else with faster delivery to EU apart from UK which do not have the cubes I want.

 

[MarcelP]

From thecubicle.us with $1.99 rush. Received in 4 days

 

[Selkie]

Ah ok, I had an order for about $150 that I was about to hit order on the other day but then I realised I had better wait until we have been on holiday for a week next week. Something to look forward to doing when we get back

 

[mark49152]

Looking at my blind edges algs for DB/BD I noticed that an M2 setup gives a nice U-perm. I know it's not new but is M2 U M' U2 M U M2 commonly used?

That U-perm is an M2 setup to a "TuRBo style shortcut" U M' U2 M U as mentioned in my thread. I don't know how you would use the U-perm directly since it doesn't involve the buffer. Personally I do use that shortcut quite often for outer targets on R/L slices, but not if both would require setup. With two setups I keep screwing up the undo

 

[h2f]

Mark is right. On the other hand I use that alg very seldom only for LU RU. For outer layers and LU or RU I prefer setup U/U' and comm which goes with M2.

@Selkie - I've just seen it on youtube. Congrats, finally you got it... In last few days I have a lot of doubts if I'll be ever sub20. My times dropped down because of lack of practice...

@Marcel - I like your unboxings and solves...

 

[muchacho]

Congrats Selkie!

 

[Logiqx]

Sorry Marcel, think you bought it from my recommendation

At last, sub 15 ao12 on film. That got a bit obsessive, going to concentrate on 5x5 and 6x6 and learning the rest of Winter Variation. Seen enough 3x3 recently to send me mad!!

Spoiler

Video to follow and lost the scrambles because I closed Chrome by mistake but ...

Average of 12: 14.89
1. 15.33
2. 13.49
3. 14.66
4. 13.44
5. 16.57
6. (12.32)
7. (DNF(21.20))
8. 16.50
9. 13.48
10. 14.37
11. 15.95
12. 15.14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2iLS4VNImc

Well done. Maybe one day for some of the rest of us!

I received two Guo Guans in the post today... very nice and probably my new main(s).

I'll look forward to breaking them in over the next few days.

 

[newtonbase]

That U-perm is an M2 setup to a "TuRBo style shortcut" U M' U2 M U as mentioned in my thread. I don't know how you would use the U-perm directly since it doesn't involve the buffer. Personally I do use that shortcut quite often for outer targets on R/L slices, but not if both would require setup. With two setups I keep screwing up the undo

I meant using the U-perm on sighted solves. I still use the first ones I learned 2 years ago and they cycle UL, UR and UF. I'll use them for when the middle piece is at UB.

I hadn't thought about using setups to get the most out of U M' U2 M U. That'll save plenty of moves.

 

[mark49152]

I meant using the U-perm on sighted solves.

Yes I think it's very well known. I have always used MU algs for all EPLLs. There's something very satisfying in finishing a solve by spamming MU moves as fast as possible .

And congrats Selkie on the average - very nice

 

[muchacho]

There's something very satisfying in finishing a solve by spamming MU moves as fast as possible .

Yeah, I love that part of my solves, maybe in part because LSE it's the only step I can be relatively fast for now.

 

[MarcelP]

@Marcel - I like your unboxings and solves...

Thanks! I actually have almost 300 subscribers.. LOL... Almost time to start monetizing Youtube..

 

[h2f]

Thanks! I actually have almost 300 subscribers.. LOL... Almost time to start monetizing Youtube..

He, he. This is the idea. Or you can ask shops where you buy for a discount in exchange of some kind commercial.

 

[Selkie]

@Selkie - I've just seen it on youtube. Congrats, finally you got it... In last few days I have a lot of doubts if I'll be ever sub20. My times dropped down because of lack of practice...

Congrats Selkie!

Well done. Maybe one day for some of the rest of us!

And congrats Selkie on the average - very nice

Thank you very much gents. To be fair I have really overdone 3x3 trying to get to the two Xmas goals of sub 14 ao5 and sub 15 ao12 on film. Often practicing too much, getting obsessive and getting frustrated at failure which does not help progression. Looking forward to doing something else cubing with my time.

A while ago I learned about half of right hand slot Winter Variation. I have decided that learning teh rest and mirrors will be my next project. Even without edge control it will give me the opportunity of an OLL skip statistically 1 in 4 solves more so if I adopt some edge control in F2L. I am in second thoughts as to whether I will be able to adopt it is my full timed solves by Exeter comp in April but will try my best and if I feel it will effect my times I will learn the algs but just practice them with Marcel's alg trainer and incorporate them post comp.

5x5 is another event for me to concentrate on now. I do not know if you recall my 5x5 Ao100 in November when I was just sub 2:30 but I think the Yuxin that arrived a couple of weeks ago is a fantastic cube. With the odd average here and there I already seem to be averaging about 2:20 which is a lot more comfortable for the UK comp average cut of 2:30. I will be doing a fair bit of 5x5, 6x6 and 7x7 to ensure I make average cut in Exeter.

Thanks! I actually have almost 300 subscribers.. LOL... Almost time to start monetizing Youtube..

I wasn't even subscribed for some reason. I am now

I received two Guo Guans in the post today... very nice and probably my new main(s).

I'll look forward to breaking them in over the next few days.

I cannot wait to try these cubes, I was close to ordering but I am on leave with the family a week from Friday. However my wife has to do an hour or so work on her degree each day so there will be some time for cubes and some time for keeping up with the thread so all good.

 

[mafergut]

Thanks! I actually have almost 300 subscribers.. LOL... Almost time to start monetizing Youtube..

I have subscribed as well (for some reason I was not subscribed yet). Don't forget to do a 300 subscriber giveaway contest

And congrats to Selkie for the awesome average. As others have said already, maybe some day for the rest of us in this thread.

By the way, I have started to watch Zane C tutorials beyond OP, trying to get a rough idea of what M2 and Turbo is all about. For now Turbo looks nice... in theory. Not sure how easy / difficult will practice be. Trying to decide what edge method to choose once I get the hang of OP corners thanks to the 2BLD event in the weekly comp (I'm so bad at it yet).

 

[Selkie]

There was quite a bit of talk a couple of pages ago about N perms. I am going to be doing a full video on my PLLs at some stage but might be useful to at least show you my favorite N perms.

I use all of the following:-

Na
F' R U R' U' R' F R2 F U' R' U' R U F' R' - My Main 3x3 algs. Has potential to be very fast but I have never been great at finger tricks with my ring fingers. (See Video Below)
z U R' D R2 U' R D' U R' D R2 U' R D' - This is the fastest for me and the only one I can get below 1.5 seconds but I do not use it because of the cube rotation
L U' R U2 L' U R' L U' R U2 L' U R' - Original one learned from Badmephisto years ago. I still use this on big cubes as I remember the alg rather than it being in muscle memory

Nb
R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R - My main 3x3 alg, also my fastest (See Video Below)
R U R' U (R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R') U2 R U' R' - This is the 21 mover which is the setup+J+setup'. I still use this on 4x4 and 5x5
L U’ R U2 L’ U R’ L U’ R U2 L’ U R’ - Again the old Badmephisto learned alg which I tend to use on 6x6 and 7x7