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chtiger said:
There's a comp as nearby as I will probably get (~1 hr 20 min), so I signed up to try to improve on my failure of a 3x3 avg. But that's still a long drive to do five 3x3 solves, so I started doing 2x2 a few days ago. Anyway, would Ortega be worth learning now for a beginner with a comp in less than 3 weeks? I've been doing [hmm, don't know what it's called, beginners method(?)], and bests so far for 1/5/12/100 are 2.00/5.74/7.01/8.49. What kind of improvements would Ortega give, if I could learn it good enough in 2-3 weeks. I started to practice Ortega, and got a PBL case that I could not match to anything in the tutorial, so I gave up for now.

Also, does anybody else use J-perm instead of T-perm? All the tutorials I've seen use T, but J seems slightly better to me.
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Beginner and avg5=5.xx in the same sentence is not correct!
Or at least I hope so...
Otherwise I'm in the previous state!


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cubesp said:
Beginner and avg5=5.xx in the same sentence is not correct!
Or at least I hope so...
Otherwise I'm in the previous state!
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I was gonna say the same. 5.x Ao5 with beginner's method is not bad at all. It's better than my PB with Ortega, that's for sure. So, not really sure he needs to learn Ortega :)

mark49152 said:
Yes Ortega is easy. There's only a handful of algs and you can learn it easily in a few hours. Make sure to search out good algs though. Chris Olsen's site is a good source, as is algdb.net. I don't use J or T perm, I use a 2x2 specific alg: R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2. You can modify it to swap corners on the bottom, by doing the R2 first: R2 U' R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2. It can also be modified to swap diagonally: R' U R' F2 R F' U R' F2 R F' R.
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Nice algs, I still was using T and Y perm and rotating the cube when I got them on the bottom, so I will definitely try those. I assume that the 3rd one is for diag swap on the top layer. Do you have a good alg for diag swap on the bottom? Maybe also similar to those three? ;)
 
mark49152 said:
Yes Ortega is easy. There's only a handful of algs and you can learn it easily in a few hours. Make sure to search out good algs though. Chris Olsen's site is a good source, as is algdb.net. I don't use J or T perm, I use a 2x2 specific alg: R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2. You can modify it to swap corners on the bottom, by doing the R2 first: R2 U' R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2. It can also be modified to swap diagonally: R' U R' F2 R F' U R' F2 R F' R.
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For that case I use (with the top bar on the left) R L D2' L' R' + R U' R F2 R' U R' (yeah, without cancelling that R' R) because even if it's longer than other algs R L D2' L' R' and R U' R F2 R' U R' are two Ortega PBL cases that I already can do fast and I know AUF (and because I'm lazy xD). And if the bar is on the back then R U' R F2 R' U R' + R L D2' L' R'
 
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I'm certainly not expecting a 5.xx avg in comp. That's fluky. I'll be happy to screw up just one solve and get sub 10. 7.xx is more of a typical nonlucky solve where I turn smooth and don't mess something up. And while I've only been doing 2x2 for a few days, I've been doing a LOT of solves.

For Ortega, here's the case I don't understand, scramble F R U' R' U R U R2 F' R U R U' R' U' x2 R U' R F2 R' U R'.
There's a similar one with 1 bar on top and 1 on bottom that are opposite colors. Edit: same scramble but add a y' after x2
 
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For 1 bar on top and 1 on bottom you have to put them together in front or in the back, and use:
- if in front R2 U' B2 U2' R2' U' R2
- if in back (there may be others but I use) R2 U' R2' U2' y R2 U' R2'

When the bars are of opposite colors AUF will be U2, and none if same color.
 
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muchacho said:
For 1 bar on top and 1 on bottom you have to put them together in front or in the back, and use:
- if in front R2 U' B2 U2' R2' U' R2
- if in back (there may be others but I use) R2 U' R2' U2' y R2 U' R2'

When the bars are of opposite colors AUF will be U2, and none if same color.
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Oh, thanks, that works. I was thinking that particular PBL required top and bottom bar to be same (making a solved face)
 
chtiger said:
I've been doing [hmm, don't know what it's called, beginners method(?)], and bests so far for 1/5/12/100 are 2.00/5.74/7.01/8.49. What kind of improvements would Ortega give, if I could learn it good enough in 2-3 weeks.
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It took me more than 3 years to achieve my first sub 10 official average on 2X2. Consider yourself a natural! :)
 
mark49152 said:
Thanks! I'm faster than Petrus! ;)
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LOL. I'd noticed that after Cuthberts. :)

Jason Green said:
I gotta compete some day just to be on the list!
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Cool. The more the merrier! The list is very much incomplete but still quite interesting.

MarcelP said:
I am 45 and 46 in two months :) Btw, in the Dutch Nationals I did beat Ton Dennenbroek in second round :) Pretty proud of that..
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Ah 1969 then...

chtiger said:
I guess you can add me to the next update. Born Sep '73
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Sorry for missing you out. I'll be sure to add you next update!
 
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