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[MarcelP]

Thanks for video. It is something that I think about but couldn't find the rule how to make l4e most efficient way.

It took me a few hours to figure these rules out I am not cube smart unfortunatly.. People who are sub 10 in two months do not even have to think about stuff like this. LOL

 

[MarcelP]

With only small amount practice this week I managed to shave a couple of seconds on my average. Ao50 34.60

Spoiler

1. 26.58 F2 D2 F2 L2 U' L2 U' L2 U2 L' U B2 U2 R2 U2 R U2 F' D

x2 y' //inspection
U R' U' R U' y L' U L U' R' U R2 U R' // FB (15/66)
y U R M U M' U2 r' U' r U M U' M' r U r' //SB (18/66)
U' L' U' L U' L' U2 L // Place corners (8/66)
U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' //Orient corners (15/66)
M U M' U M U' M' // Edge orientation (7/66)
M2 U' M2 // Rest (3/66)

2. 27.81 D B2 F2 L2 D2 U R2 U' F2 U' R2 B D' U2 L U2 F' D R2 D2 L2
3. 38.72 D' F U2 L2 U' R2 B' L F R' B2 U2 L2 U2 D2 F2 B U2 F' D2 L2
4. 30.95 L2 U2 B2 L' F2 R D2 L' D2 B2 R2 B' U' B' D2 B' F' D' R B
5. 31.66 U2 L B2 U2 L D2 F2 L U2 L B L D F' D' F2 R2 D' B' U'

[video=youtube_share;4i7OYaoqdyU]http://youtu.be/4i7OYaoqdyU[/video]

 

[Rocky0701]

With only small amount practice this week I managed to shave a couple of seconds on my average. Ao50 34.60

Spoiler

1. 26.58 F2 D2 F2 L2 U' L2 U' L2 U2 L' U B2 U2 R2 U2 R U2 F' D

x2 y' //inspection
U R' U' R U' y L' U L U' R' U R2 U R' // FB (15/66)
y U R M U M' U2 r' U' r U M U' M' r U r' //SB (18/66)
U' L' U' L U' L' U2 L // Place corners (8/66)
U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' //Orient corners (15/66)
M U M' U M U' M' // Edge orientation (7/66)
M2 U' M2 // Rest (3/66)

2. 27.81 D B2 F2 L2 D2 U R2 U' F2 U' R2 B D' U2 L U2 F' D R2 D2 L2
3. 38.72 D' F U2 L2 U' R2 B' L F R' B2 U2 L2 U2 D2 F2 B U2 F' D2 L2
4. 30.95 L2 U2 B2 L' F2 R D2 L' D2 B2 R2 B' U' B' D2 B' F' D' R B
5. 31.66 U2 L B2 U2 L D2 F2 L U2 L B L D F' D' F2 R2 D' B' U'

http://youtu.be/4i7OYaoqdyU

I'm glad that you're still having a great time with Roux! Since you've gotten to like sub 35 already I can definitely see you being sub 20 with it in the next six months or so.

 

[MarcelP]

I'm glad that you're still having a great time with Roux! Since you've gotten to like sub 35 already I can definitely see you being sub 20 with it in the next six months or so.

Yeah, knowing CML only will shave of 4 seconds or so.. But I will start with CMLL at around 25 seconds..

 

[Rocky0701]

Yeah, knowing CML only will shave of 4 seconds or so.. But I will start with CMLL at around 25 seconds..

I guess that's true, but 4 seconds is still guite a bit when all you have to do is get good at algs. Winter break just started for me, so my two goals are to finish learning blind and get to like sub 5:00, and to finish the ladt 16 OLLs that I need to learn.

 

[h2f]

Nice. I was wondering how are you, and how your Roux... This week I was focused on blindfold: 3bld, 4bld and 5bld. No time for Roux. But I've learnt few cmlls...

 

[MarcelP]

Nice. I was wondering how are you, and how your Roux... This week I was focused on blindfold: 3bld, 4bld and 5bld. No time for Roux. But I've learnt few cmlls...

I have been doing nothing but Roux. 15 minutes per day or so. Life is just too busy. But improvement has motivated me to pick up hard core cubing again

 

[Rocky0701]

I guess that's true, but 4 seconds is still guite a bit when all you have to do is get good at algs. Winter break just started for me, so my two goals are to finish learning blind and get to like sub 5:00, and to finish the ladt 16 OLLs that I need to learn.

Ok, so I finished learning M2 and have been practicing it for a couple days. Even though I knew I would DNF, I figured it was time to try a full BLD solve. Memo time was 11:03 and solve time was an extra 3:07. Aaannnddd, off by 3 corners I am still pretty happy for a first attempt though and getting edges perfect. I did better than I thought I would. Still haven't started learning my OLLs though haha.

 

[sk8erman41]

Ok, so I finished learning M2 and have been practicing it for a couple days. Even though I knew I would DNF, I figured it was time to try a full BLD solve. Memo time was 11:03 and solve time was an extra 3:07. Aaannnddd, off by 3 corners I am still pretty happy for a first attempt though and getting edges perfect. I did better than I thought I would. Still haven't started learning my OLLs though haha.

Nice job! the edges with M2 are much more complicated (at first) than the corners too, so gj getting those correct. Memo time will come down as you practice more.

 

[Rocky0701]

Nice job! the edges with M2 are much more complicated (at first) than the corners too, so gj getting those correct. Memo time will come down as you practice more.

Thanks! Yeah, I never really had troubles learning corners but I did for edges. At first it took me a long time to understand odd or even targets and to be able to do the special targets, but I think I have it down pretty well now. Yeah, most of my memo is just reviewing over and over. I am going to do another attempt now, I'll edit in the results.

Edit: Now off by 3 edges 8:30 memo, 2:45 execution

Edit 2: Attempt 3, off by two corners. Ughh.. Exectution was perfect, but when memoing the corners, I didn't noticed that the BDL corner was in it's spot but unoriented.. So the buffer came back unoriented too. Silly mistake.

Edit 3: Attempt 4... SUCESS!!! Memo ~6:00, execution ~2:30

 

[sk8erman41]

Thanks! Yeah, I never really had troubles learning corners but I did for edges. At first it took me a long time to understand odd or even targets and to be able to do the special targets, but I think I have it down pretty well now. Yeah, most of my memo is just reviewing over and over. I am going to do another attempt now, I'll edit in the results.

The even/odd thing is definitely the hardest part of M2, also just remember that if you have to flip UL or UB to keep your parity in mind because they may be switched.

Edit 3: Attempt 4... SUCESS!!! Memo ~6:00, execution ~2:30

OH yeah! that first success feels pretty good

 

[sneaklyfox]

OH yeah! that first success feels pretty good

Yeah first BLD success feels really good. Actually, it felt best of any of my BLD successes even though it probably also took the longest.

 

[moralsh]

First official bld is also very cool. Last comp I had a 4bld attempt only off by 2 centers and 3 wings, it almost felt like a success also.

Bld is fun.

 

[MarcelP]

Edit 3: Attempt 4... SUCESS!!! Memo ~6:00, execution ~2:30

Congrats! Very nice. it took me a lot more attempts. And I never learned M2 because it is slight more complicated than OP. And OP is allready hard enough for me.

First official bld is also very cool. Last comp I had a 4bld attempt only off by 2 centers and 3 wings, it almost felt like a success also.

Bld is fun.

Ooohh so close..

 

[sneaklyfox]

I put caring more about BLD as one of my new year's resolutions for 2015, but I don't know if that will happen. BLD to me mostly feels like one of those things where if I have done it once it's enough to say "been there, done that". Maybe like how solving a 3x3 might feel to another person who doesn't care about speed. So maybe I could at least work towards getting a success in comp. Right now I don't even remember my M2 algs (for when the edge is stuck in M-slice).

 

[sk8erman41]

I put caring more about BLD as one of my new year's resolutions for 2015, but I don't know if that will happen. BLD to me mostly feels like one of those things where if I have done it once it's enough to say "been there, done that". Maybe like how solving a 3x3 might feel to another person who doesn't care about speed. So maybe I could at least work towards getting a success in comp. Right now I don't even remember my M2 algs (for when the edge is stuck in M-slice).

I agree. To me, BLD is always something that sounds more appealing than it is. Sometimes I will get on a kick where I am like 'oooh this is fun' but then again I never really want to dedicate much time to practicing it. I usually do BLD solves when I don't have access to a timer or don't have much time to cube or am trying to be really quiet. During those times when speedsolving isn't the best option I think its pretty fun, but if I have other options I usually choose them instead. Maybe it comes down to not having a great letter pair list and struggling with the memo. I really like the execution part of the solve, but the memo just seems like something that I have to do rather than something that I enjoy doing. I know that making a better letter pair list would help with this, but that's the type of practice(?)/cube time that I would rather be spending doing something else. Its almost like learning algs- super important to get faster and improve, but not the most fun thing to do.

 

[moralsh]

I think the only notable differences between BLD and speedsolving are that BLD is more time consuming and the slower progress, other than that I find that the same arguments, like repetitiveness, can be applied to either. One can think that F2L is super cool and the rest of the solve are just means to get there, or F2B and corners to get to LSE.

You just need to enjoy the different parts of BLD, you can improve Memo by memorizing more (MultiBLD, Bigcubes) and memorizing differently (Audio, letter pairs, visual) not just by memorizing faster. You can try different executions and even try new things as it is less explored than speedsolving. You can even leave the cube aside and try to memorize something else.

But I guess that not everybody is cut off for blind, as not everybody likes to solve the cube over and over. Just explore different things and have fun trying.

 

[Rocky0701]

Yeah. My goals for BLD are basically like sub 5 with about 75% accuracy, 3/3 MBLD and 4BLD. I am having a lot of fun with it. No successes today, but I smashed all of my 4x4 PBs, so I am still happy.

 

[sneaklyfox]

For some strange reason I think I could possibly do decently well at BLD. Right now, my PB for 3BLD is a little less than 4 minutes and that's without much practice. When I stopped, every few successes was a new PB or something like that. And I had a good success rate. I was taking my time with memo to make it stick and get a good success rate so I could probably go faster with a little effort. Maybe if we all decided to do BLD then it would be easier to motivate myself to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Rocky0701]

For some strange reason I think I could possibly do decently well at BLD. Right now, my PB for 3BLD is a little less than 4 minutes and that's without much practice. When I stopped, every few successes was a new PB or something like that. And I had a good success rate. I was taking my time with memo to make it stick and get a good success rate so I could probably go faster with a little effort. Maybe if we all decided to do BLD then it would be easier to motivate myself to jump on the bandwagon.

Haha, first 5x5, then Roux, now BLD. I like it we could all race to see who could get the first sub 5:00 MO3 since that will test speed and accuracy, also I just beat my PB and got a 6:52.