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SpartanSailor · May 9, 2018

mark49152 said:
Yeah you're on the right track. The only way to get faster at BLD is to rush it. DNFs don't matter. Push yourself to a pace where you're getting 0% success rate and persist at that pace until accuracy comes back to >60%. Rinse and repeat.

It also helps to break down what you're doing during memo and think systematically about how to speed it up.

What are your splits?

I don’t know my splits. May have to start using csTimer so I can track that.

openseas · May 9, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
I don’t know my splits. May have to start using csTimer so I can track that.

Yes, it helps to understand which one is your weakness. With OP/OP, you can get down to 2~3 min, 1:30 memo / 1:30 execution split. You can also start M2. OP is an easy approach but there is no upside other than spamming TPS. As you noticed already, with M2, you can come down to 1min level, and also applicable to big cubes.

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

I’ll begin learning some M2 after this next comp. Good, bad or indifferent... I think it’s time to step it up. It definitely will be necessary if I move up to 4BLD.

openseas · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
I’ll begin learning some M2 after this next comp. Good, bad or indifferent... I think it’s time to step it up. It definitely will be necessary if I move up to 4BLD.

You mean tea time? Still 2 weeks away, enough time to make transition. It will also cut down your edge time quite a bit just after a couple of days.

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

Yep. Tea Time, that’s the one. Are you guys still coming?

openseas · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
Yep. Tea Time, that’s the one. Are you guys still coming?

So far, yes. I'll be on the road the whole month of this May - only if everything works like clockwork, can't afford one single slip of any schedule to make that trip. (Italy next week, East Asia week after, arriving home the morning we're supposed to leave.... so....)

newtonbase · May 10, 2018

4/10 again today. Tried the memo in blocks of 5 which didn't work. I went over the hour. I had a couple of the worst scrambles I ever seen One cube had 3 solved pieces but there were still 11 targets. Another had 3 twisted corners.

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

I am trying some M2 solves today using notes and even writing out the memo. These are a complete disaster. I’m CLEARLY doing something wrong.

If you land on the buffer, you just start a new cycle, right? Same as for OP? And the whole C/W and I/S swap... that’s not working either. I know the “rule” but it’s not working.

openseas · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
I am trying some M2 solves today using notes and even writing out the memo. These are a complete disaster. I’m CLEARLY doing something wrong.

If you land on the buffer, you just start a new cycle, right? Same as for OP? And the whole C/W and I/S swap... that’s not working either. I know the “rule” but it’s not working.

Yes, cycle break is exactly the same. Do you know those m slice targets have two different alg whether it is the 1st pair(odd) or 2nd pair(even)?

Show me your scramble for example (scramble on your color scheme not by WCA scheme)

adimare · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
I am trying some M2 solves today using notes and even writing out the memo. These are a complete disaster. I’m CLEARLY doing something wrong.

If you land on the buffer, you just start a new cycle, right? Same as for OP? And the whole C/W and I/S swap... that’s not working either. I know the “rule” but it’s not working.

If you're having trouble figuring out execution you can use http://scrambld.cubing.net, you can input a scramble and it can generate an M2 solution for you.

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

Dumb question, but when using M2 you still need to do the set up AND return, right? There’s no magical way that it skips over the return sequence, right?

Looking at the scramble... I think the software is using a different buffer than I use.

Where are the buffers? My corner solution is not the same. Nor is my edge solution for the scramble I typed in...

adimare · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
Dumb question, but when using M2 you still need to do the set up AND return, right?

Yes

SpartanSailor said:
Looking at the scramble... I think the software is using a different buffer than I use.

It uses UBL for corners and DF for edges.

SpartanSailor said:
My corner solution is not the same. Nor is my edge solution for the scramble I typed in...

If cycle breaks are required BLD solutions aren't unique, so that's expected; but the software should produce a valid solution (you can check by clicking on the alg.cubing.net button).

openseas · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
Where are the buffers? My corner solution is not the same. Nor is my edge solution for the scramble I typed in...

M2 is using DF as buffer. Are you referring to Buffer or color scheme?

pglewis · May 10, 2018

A couple other random M2 things:

I suggest solving edges in pairs when doing it sighted. The offset M slice can be confusing even when you're getting things right.

Test your execution with a solved cube, check that the buffer piece goes where it should, doing the same letter twice should end up solved again.

Speffz N: use Uw R Uw' as the setup (lefty mirror for H)

Q: (U M')x3 (U M) (U M')x4 (there's a variation for using U' too, but U M' are very comfortable for me)

newtonbase · May 10, 2018

Give us the scramble and we'll crowd source a solution.

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

adimare said:
Yes

It uses UBL for corners and DF for edges.

If cycle breaks are required BLD solutions aren't unique, so that's expected; but the software should produce a valid solution (you can check by clicking on the alg.cubing.net button).

Gotcha

SpartanSailor · May 10, 2018

newtonbase said:
Give us the scramble and we'll crowd source a solution.

Looks like I’m just ironing out the algs. The special cases still mess me up and I think I had the wrong alg for one of them... which of course ruins everything.

I like the flow of M2 so far. Really need to dial the setup moves, etc...

Playing with that ScramBLD which is good to practice, but I know it’s going to melt my brain when I have to track pieces AND remember is the I/S/C/W are first or second in a pair all while trying to memo simultaneously.

newtonbase · May 10, 2018

SpartanSailor said:
Looks like I’m just ironing out the algs. The special cases still mess me up and I think I had the wrong alg for one of them... which of course ruins everything.

I like the flow of M2 so far. Really need to dial the setup moves, etc...

Playing with that ScramBLD which is good to practice, but I know it’s going to melt my brain when I have to track pieces AND remember is the I/S/C/W are first or second in a pair all while trying to memo simultaneously.

You should find the 1st/2nd thing quite easy to get used to if you memo in pairs. Some people such as @mark49152 switch the letter during memo so if W is 2nd the memo C etc.
Once you get the basic algs down then you can learn some advanced M2 so you can avoid them.

openseas · May 10, 2018

@SpartanSailor / Below picture shows my recommended setup for M2 + comparison.

newtonbase · May 10, 2018

openseas said:
@SpartanSailor / Below picture shows my recommended setup for M2 + comparison.

View attachment 9102

Interesting list. I use quite a few of your "not recommended" algs.

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