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Offtopic, anyone play chess? If any would like to play with me (I'm 1650 points in 10+0 at lichess.org) please send me a PM. It doesn't have to be blindfolded chess, but I would accept the challenge :p

1900 timed 3x3 solves so far this year, not sure if I've improved though.
 
I do, however, do MANY (possibly as many as 100) untimed solves during the day too. I don't go "slow" per se, but I do sometimes go slower to specifically work on look ahead or a particular finger-trick or something else specific. I think those are actually helping too.

I'm the same way, I still don't track long-term sessions because it'll just tell me what I already know: I'm in constant flux. I attack Ao50 when it feels like my consistency is coming around, seems like once every few weeks right now as OLL improves. Otherwise I just do a lot of untimed solves in a cycle of: learn a few new things, lose consistency, gain it back, repeat. I can feel it if things start clicking and get the timer out in case I land an outlier or hot Ao5. Tracking longer-term averages would probably mean more to me if I eventually manage to approach 15s or better.

Do you think it is a helpful tactic to do the memo and tracing then solve the cube sighted using your same memo? I am wondering if this may be a good way for me to do some practice... that way I can identify immediately if I memo'd something incorrectly. Thoughts?

I've had good luck with sighted blind for a day if I hit a spell of unknown failures. If nothing else it seems to get my confidence back if not point out what had been going wrong. @newtonbase's advice to jot down the memo might be better in the sense that you can at least work out where it went afoul. Maybe even filming if it remains chronic and frustrating. There's so many tiny things that can go wrong.
 
Offtopic, anyone play chess? If any would like to play with me (I'm 1650 points in 10+0 at lichess.org) please send me a PM. It doesn't have to be blindfolded chess, but I would accept the challenge :p

My poor lookahead is not limited to cubing... I'm awful at chess, though as a programmer and cube-nut I'm supposed to be a decent chess player. I have one strategy: trade pieces early and often to remove my opponent's weapons, which I'll surely miss at some point and do something stupid if I don't get them off the board; hope for a draw.
 
Do you think it is a helpful tactic to do the memo and tracing then solve the cube sighted using your same memo? I am wondering if this may be a good way for me to do some practice... that way I can identify immediately if I memo'd something incorrectly. Thoughts?
That does work. It might highlight something you are doing wrongly or where you might have a weakness.
 
That is beyond remarkable... my head hurts just imagining it.

I believe grand masters can remember the pieces on chess boards easily. This only applies to valid positions and if you randomly place pieces on the board they can' remember them any better than Joe public. I think I read something about it in the book moonwalking with einstein. Still super impressive.

I think a crazy hard thing to do would be blindfold sudoku. :)
 
I think a crazy hard thing to do would be blindfold sudoku. :)
Not necessarily. I was quite into sudoku when they first arrived some 12 years ago. I quickly found the regular newspaper sudokus too easy and mostly solved those all in my head. By that I mean staring at the puzzle until I could write in the correct solution cell by cell starting from top left. Going from there to blind solving would only require a method to first memorize the original grid. It would be an interesting challenge though. Maybe I should try it sometime.

But how would such an event be done in practice? I'm thinking you are allowed to look at a grid to memorize it, then you would have to put the grid away while you solve it, but then you also have to somehow write down the solution, which can't really be done blindfolded. One possibility would be to fill in an empty grid in order, starting from top left, with correct solution. That way you can't really do any more solving while writing down the solution. However, you can do solving while memorizing the solution, which kind of defeats the whole blindfold purpose...
 
Wow this thread is active today! I just wanted to chime in on a couple of things:
1. My memo/execution split for all puzzles is around 50/50. For 3BLD it should be shorter for memo, but I'm so bad these days at 3BLD that it's even 50/50 there. I am about 70/30 memorization vs. execution on multiBLD.
2. When I was much younger, I spent a lot of time trying to get good at chess, but never succeeded. I can often play positionally pretty well for a while, but almost invariably at some point in the game like @pglewis I do something stupid, missing some obvious opponent's attack, and lose on a single move. My rating never got past about 1300, I'm afraid, despite a fair amount of work trying to get better.
 
That does work. It might highlight something you are doing wrongly or where you might have a weakness.

On top of @newtonbase 's comment +
@SpartanSailor / instead of sighted, edge / corner separate practice will be better. You'll tell if you mix up execution based on corner/edge status. It will be helpful to push your memo.

As a separate training, you can drill your execution whatever letter pair you think you need pratice. I guess you'll be needing more drill on M slice pairs at your stage.
 
Off topic, but has anyone seen this act of breathtaking superhumanity? Makes MBLD look silly.

I don't play, don't even know enough to find this impressive really (or maybe it's more accurate to say I don't understand how impressive it is, which to me equals not impressed). I played two or three games as a kid. To an average person I would think playing a single person blindfold in chess might be less impressive than solving a cube blindfold. It would be an interesting poll. :)
 
I tried something different tonite. Unlimited memo time. Really committed my memo... then, feeling SUPER confident I donned my blindfold and with confidence I unveiled my own eyes to see a perfectly scrambled cube

So I did the same scramble and verified my memo and did it again... I did this a third time sighted. Then I saw it. I had a T-W-T move that I did as TWN (using speffz). Meaning I flipped my own edge. Then, forgot I had an odd number of targets and so the corners were all off from the go...

Not a terribly exciting practice session to the uninitiated, but it was genuinely helpful for me to dial in that solution and find all my errors that I’d have NEVER learned had I just moved on to my next scramble.

Of course, after finding all my mistakes, I did it 1 final time to a successful result.

I’m calling that a successful practice
 
I’m calling that a successful practice

I do it quite often in last time because I've changed many algs and I was doing it when i started. It's much easier to eliminate mistakes if you know why you was mistaken and what was the correct way of solving the cube.

I'm just starting driving to next copmetition. Wish me luck.
 
Offtopic, anyone play chess? If any would like to play with me (I'm 1650 points in 10+0 at lichess.org) please send me a PM. It doesn't have to be blindfolded chess, but I would accept the challenge :p

1900 timed 3x3 solves so far this year, not sure if I've improved though.

I know enough about chess to move the pieces. I actually beat someone twice in one day just a couple of weeks ago. It would admittedly be more impressive if the guy wasn't 5 years old, or if he was taking the game seriously, but I'll take what I can get. I've been trying to pick up Go the last few weeks. I've only played half a dozen games or so, but I've really enjoyed it. My sister tells me now that between Rubik's cubes and Go I must secretly be a 17-year old Asian boy. She's probably on to something there.
 
Someone played blindfolded (him, not me) chess with me once, I won, but I was TOTALLY amazed that people could even do that. I'm guessing it's more difficult than multi-bld, at least in terms that not everyone could do it even if trying hard, there are people who have a condition called Aphantasia, they can't form images in their minds. And I would say I have that, I dream, and if for example after I spend some time watching let's say cat photos if I close my eyes images of cats might come to my mind (not the same I just saw), but I can't control it, ask me to image a cube or a rectangle and I just could not do it.

So I could probably do multi-bld, although I would most likely be awful at it, but I'm not sure if I could play chess blindfolded no matter how much I could try.
 

Also it's interesting to note that when people like Hikaru Nakamura play, they spend quite a lot of their thinking time not looking at the board. They seem to automatically remember the entire board position without any particular effort. And Magnus can recognise positions from every game he's ever played but also pretty much every reasonably well known game that other grandmasters have played. So playing a single game blindfolded is fairly easy for them, but that doesn't stop it from being impressive, in my opinion.

But playing more than one at a time, that's a really incredible achievement, and to me, much, much more impressive than MBLD. The reason being that in MBLD you have a static environment: the cubes are scrambled once, and you memorise them. When playing many simultaneous chess games you have a bunch of boards that change with every move, so you can't just memorise each board once -- you have to be able to store an internal representation of each game and update it with each move. I can just about play a single blindfold game of chess for somewhere between 5 and 10 moves and then after that it gets blurry and I forget stuff. The idea of being able to do it for dozens of boards without forgetting the positions of any pieces really does blow my mind.
 
Whether MBLD or multiblind chess is more impressive is entirely subjective. I have not tried blindfold chess and am only a mediocre player, and my frame of reference is to compare what I know about playing sighted chess to what I know about MBLD.

As Ben said, one fundamental difference is that MBLD is static. It's a straightforward case of encode, memorise, then execute blindfolded. The skills that lead to impressive results are memory techniques and speed, execution method and speed, time management, and concentration/focus, as a single lapse can be fatal.

Blindfold chess to me is almost entirely different. There's nothing to memo at the start. Each game evolves dynamically. As the article points out, tracking the position of each game may be helped by patterns and knowing the history of how the position was reached, and is not just a case of encoding and recalling individual piece positions (like MBLD). Plus, I would imagine, the player would also need to recall plans, strategies, risks and options they had already thought through, including their assessments of what the opponent is up to.

I would guess that for an individual game, it would be relatively easy for an experienced player to play blindfolded. What impressed me about this guy was playing 48 at once, especially since the effort to do so had to be sustained for over 18 hours, and he still won 35 of the games. And it's a record that stood since the 1940s until recently, so clearly not easy :).
 
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