Older cubers discussions

[h2f]

Thanks. I put the splits in the description but it's clear what I need to work on. Execution included 8.9 seconds of pauses and 7 taps on the table!

Still your execution is nice and smooth.

 

[openseas]

Oldie rankings updated.

https://github.com/Logiqx/wca-ipy

Thanks for the update!

BTW, I believe one of the forum in this speedcubing had this discussion - oldest speed cuber list. It was a while back, like 2012 when WCA dB included ages. Anyway, we can add these people (is it ok or not?) since we have a reference age (Mike). (Alex Maass age was probably an error.)

 

[Mike Hughey]

Wow, what was that for? Magic? It must be because I can't imagine I have a single that good in any other event.

And that's also wild because it shows conclusively - I'm a little younger than Bob's dad. (This question came up at US Nationals this year.) It looks like I'm older, but I would have done that solve 5 or 6 years after Bob Sr. did his.

Anyway, a fun piece of history you dug up there!

 

[newtonbase]

How have you guys learned PLL recognition? I'm currently practicing with this trainer http://mattsploration.com/cubing/2-sided-pll-recognition-trainer/ but should I be learning rules first?

 

[Shaky Hands]

@newtonbase - my PLL recognition isn't great, but I'm happier with my PLL recognition than my F2L recognition and figure that comes up 4 times as often, so will concentrate on that instead for now. My biggest problem is telling the difference between R and T; and between A and V.

 

[mark49152]

How have you guys learned PLL recognition? I'm currently practicing with this trainer http://mattsploration.com/cubing/2-sided-pll-recognition-trainer/ but should I be learning rules first?

By learning the main patterns first, pretty much the same as when I wrote this: https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/two-sided-pll-recognition-guide.41108/

The harder cases with no blocks just sort of became automatic with practice.

 

[pglewis]

How have you guys learned PLL recognition? I'm currently practicing with this trainer http://mattsploration.com/cubing/2-sided-pll-recognition-trainer/ but should I be learning rules first?

I'm drilling myself to try and make CP recognition automatic and start looking by the end of my OLL. I've been using a trainer like that, Mark's guide above, and http://sarah.cubing.net/3x3x3/pll-recognition-guide#section/cp-recognition

 

[newtonbase]

Thanks guys. I know it's not the most important thing to learn but it's easy to practice on my phone in the middle of the night when getting my son back to sleep.
I do recall seeing that document @mark49152. I'll have a proper look later, thanks.

 

[newtonbase]

That's a nice, simple set of rules @pglewis Thanks.

A similar thing I've been looking as is corner recognition from seeing 2 stickers. This will speed up blind and F2L. I'm surprised it's not yet automatic.

 

[pglewis]

Thanks guys. I know it's not the most important thing to learn but it's easy to practice on my phone in the middle of the night when getting my son back to sleep...

Yeah, I could almost assuredly get to sub 20 eventually without ever working on it, but if I didn't auto-U2 every time I don't recognize, then AUF properly and THEN PLL... another second matters now.

That's a nice, simple set of rules @pglewis Thanks.

Yeah, I try to start with CP recog because sometimes that's enough to know. I've found sometimes Mark's recog scheme is a quicker way to the answer if CP alone isn't enough, other times Sarah's logic will find it quicker so I have both open when I'm drilling. They're both great resources.

A similar thing I've been looking as is corner recognition from seeing 2 stickers. This will speed up blind and F2L. I'm surprised it's not yet automatic.

I eventually want this too, it would be SO helpful, but I'm much farther away from having good instincts there yet.

 

[openseas]

Wow, what was that for? Magic? It must be because I can't imagine I have a single that good in any other event.

And that's also wild because it shows conclusively - I'm a little younger than Bob's dad. (This question came up at US Nationals this year.) It looks like I'm older, but I would have done that solve 5 or 6 years after Bob Sr. did his.

Anyway, a fun piece of history you dug up there!

Found the link!

Actually, you're in the forum as well
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/the-worlds-oldest-speed-cuber-ever.41681/

 

[Selkie]

Great to see all the posts about UKC and congratulations to all those who got a podium or just beat a PB.

After nearly 3 months of just occasional un-timed practice I am back practicing ready for Weston-super-Mare Open later this month. Really pleased not to have lost much time. Had a 15.1* Ao100, a couple of sub 13.5 Ao5's and a few sub 14.5 Ao12's. Filmed about 25 minutes at lunchtime and this was the pick of the bunch. A 13.54s ao5.

Will try and catch up on the thread asap

 

[openseas]

I'm drilling myself to try and make CP recognition automatic and start looking by the end of my OLL. I've been using a trainer like that, Mark's guide above, and http://sarah.cubing.net/3x3x3/pll-recognition-guide#section/cp-recognition

Me, too. I was initially building my own from the scratch but found Sarah's this guide. This was very helpful. BTW, do you know her nickname is the DNF queen? She dnf'd a lot for 3x3x3 events.

 

[Shaky Hands]

@Selkie - good work mate. Looks like some of your transitions have improved dramatically if you compare it to some of your recorded solves from a year back.

 

[newtonbase]

Me, too. I was initially building my own from the scratch but found Sarah's this guide. This was very helpful. BTW, do you know her nickname is the DNF queen? She dnf'd a lot for 3x3x3 events.

Yes, I believe that she bails out of poor solves.

 

[mark49152]

More UK Championship oldster action...

 

[pglewis]

Knowing CP up front can speed up recog using Mark's guide because it can narrow down the possible choices in some areas (and tells you where the headlights/bar is if it's an adj swap). The 2nd thing I try to remember to check is, if I see headlights, check if the edge there is opp or adj relative to the headlights. If it's an adjacent swap CP and opposite edge between them it can only be T, Gb, or Gd afaik.

 

[mark49152]

Knowing CP up front can speed up recog using Mark's guide because it can narrow down the possible choices in some areas

IMHO it's all part of the same recognition. I recognize the overall pattern, rather than CP first. Of course when you spot a block next to an adjacent or opposite corner colour, you are effectively recognising CP. Distinguishing V perm or A perm from the two sides with the block is a good example. If one of the blocks is next to an adjacent colour corner, it's an A perm; but I dont find myself thinking "hey the CP is an adjacent corner swap, what do I see next?"

@Selkie: Nice solves mate, but where's the washing machine?!

 

[Selkie]

Thanks @Shaky Hands and @mark49152

I hadn't realised there was much improvement but I guess I do concentrate more on lookahead than I used to. Still looks quite choppy but I'll blame hands that will be 48 this month. 4 days before WSM Open so perhaps birthday drinks gents!?

I solved the washing machine! hehe. Actually reorganized the study. Unfortunately no other room for the washing machine and tumble dryer

Looked like a 17/17 in about 2 seconds there mate

 

[mark49152]

Looked like a 17/17 in about 2 seconds there mate

Funny thing with that was, I looked at the cubes and thought "that's not right, they're all in the same orientation" - before registering that they were unscrambled. I told Andy afterwards and he said he'd seen it the same way!