Older cubers discussions

[moralsh]

mafergut, wow, you have faster fingers than mine.

Also, would you like to go to your first comp? there's a one day comp 223Km away from Valladolid on January 30th, maybe you can start negotiating

Grzegorz, Nice Ao5, seems like the last one could have been a bit faster with a better PLL, your F2L seems smooth. I need to try to Focus on 3x3 one of this days as almost all of you guys have more regular times than I do.

I've been doing some 7x today. 9 solves, 8:39 single PB, 9:05 Mean of 3 PB, 9:25 Ao5 PB and 9:33 mean of the 9, definitely improving.

 

[newtonbase]

I like that Cubejectives link. It's accurate for 2x2 and Pyraminx. I'm a little faster on 4x4 and 5x5, and way faster on blind. But for big cubes I'm awful. I take nearly 3 times as long as predicted on 7x7.

 

[Berd]

Got it on cam! Not just a sub 20 but a new PB too. (PLL skip but that's fine by me)

https://youtu.be/NIZbB1qpXDc

Nice solve! Our setups look almost identcal, check out the 11s I have on my channel haha.

 

[mafergut]

mafergut, wow, you have faster fingers than mine.

Also, would you like to go to your first comp? there's a one day comp 223Km away from Valladolid on January 30th, maybe you can start negotiating

Grzegorz, Nice Ao5, seems like the last one could have been a bit faster with a better PLL, your F2L seems smooth. I need to try to Focus on 3x3 one of this days as almost all of you guys have more regular times than I do.

I've been doing some 7x today. 9 solves, 8:39 single PB, 9:05 Mean of 3 PB, 9:25 Ao5 PB and 9:33 mean of the 9, definitely improving.

Camarma de Esteruelas Open . I will think about that.
It's not fast fingers, it's just that after reconstructing the solve and memorizing it, all the pauses are gone That's an indication of what my theoretical limit would be. Far from it right now but today I just got a 19.65 Ao50, maybe the beginning of recovery after this terrible month?

 

[Chree]

I have also revamped my website abit, take a peek here if you already haven't.

So I just learned Sq-1 a couple weeks ago. Your site might be the single best collection of good algs I've found so far. Everywhere else has like a few nice ones and a bunch of crap algs. You have them all Thanks, man.

 

[h2f]

Grzegorz, Nice Ao5, seems like the last one could have been a bit faster with a better PLL, your F2L seems smooth. I need to try to Focus on 3x3 one of this days as almost all of you guys have more regular times than I do.

Yes it could and I knew it during solve. But I wanted to not screw it. I knew every sub20 solve makes me sub20. First on cam.

 

[Jason Green]

I got today ao5 sub 20 on cam with slow turning. Okey - let's say it would be slow turning but sometimes I've speeded up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfYZ_auCOs0

Nice, it would be fun to race against you. I might win 1 in 100, or I might not because the easy solves you would do that much better. I like competing against people better than me, but someone averaging sub 10 would be boring. haha

 

[Jason Green]

Congratulations!!!! And for two reasons. 1) The solve is very nice and 2) it still has room for improvement (you had some doubts here and there during F2L and also it took you a while to recognize the skip and AUF) so I'm sure you will have a sub-16 PB single very soon.

Thanks, yes I can see lots of room to improve which I am happy about! I'm not sure *how* soon but that would be cool.

Congrats Jason. Definietly there's is "yes" and next "jest" (you can read it as "yest"). I can hear "t"!

Maybe I'm part Polish, I had no idea.

Congrats! If you had known full OLL it wouldn't have been a PLL skip

if that is your PB single you are quite regular on your solves, not many seconds between single and average (I have almost 5 seconds in my official times and almost 4 at home)

But I did know that OLL case. I'm not really that consistent, my overall average is still probably 26. I'm in the race to sub 25 now but I do not have many sub 25 Ao12 yet, so I may be there a little while.

Or maybe it's the other way around and the average 3x3 solver is really bad at the big cubes and they should be faster.

Interesting, I like to have psychological theories on stuff like that (and maybe it's not psychological at all). Maybe you feel like 3x3 is too easy to learn so you don't "respect" it as much, which leads to a subconscious lack of motivation to improve. Or maybe because the times are longer for bigger cubes it does not make you feel as rushed, so you relax and focus better and get faster times. Probably none of that, but it's fun to make stuff up.

Nice solve! Our setups look almost identcal, check out the 11s I have on my channel haha.

Thanks, that's the best cubing complement I ever got from a young cuber! I saw your video it is a very similar set up. My iMac is from like 2008 though, I need to get a new computer someday but I don't use it a whole lot these days. Normally I use Windows so I will probably go back to that.

 

[Berd]

Thanks, yes I can see lots of room to improve which I am happy about! I'm not sure *how* soon but that would be cool.



Maybe I'm part Polish, I had no idea.



But I did know that OLL case. I'm not really that consistent, my overall average is still probably 26. I'm in the race to sub 25 now but I do not have many sub 25 Ao12 yet, so I may be there a little while.



Interesting, I like to have psychological theories on stuff like that (and maybe it's not psychological at all). Maybe you feel like 3x3 is too easy to learn so you don't "respect" it as much, which leads to a subconscious lack of motivation to improve. Or maybe because the times are longer for bigger cubes it does not make you feel as rushed, so you relax and focus better and get faster times. Probably none of that, but it's fun to make stuff up.



Thanks, that's the best cubing complement I ever got from a young cuber! I saw your video it is a very similar set up. My iMac is from like 2008 though, I need to get a new computer someday but I don't use it a whole lot these days. Normally I use Windows so I will probably go back to that.

Ha! I'm sure I'm above the average age of a cube, I'm 17! Relieve to some of you guys tho... .

 

[Jason Green]

Ha! I'm sure I'm above the average age of a cube, I'm 17! Relieve to some of you guys tho... .

True I guess within the cubing group you would not be a "young cuber". That would probably be 8-10. But yeah compared to us guys in our 40s.

 

[MarcelP]

I got today ao5 sub 20 on cam with slow turning. Okey - let's say it would be slow turning but sometimes I've speeded up.

Awesome! Few things I noticed:
- White cross only is for beginners.. (he he) Seriously, solve nr 4 had two yellow edge pieces connected and already in the correct spot.
- Your cross + 1 is just as fast as mine! All of these 5 solves where under 5 secs.
- F2L incredibly smooth as in pauseless. Good job.
- OLL recognition is too slow.
- PLL recognition is too slow.

I think with the last two points you can shave of 1.5 - 2 seconds on you global average without too much work.

I can't believe this. In the middle of my bigger 3x3 crisis since I started cubing I got a PB full-step single by more than 0.3. It could have been sub-13.

31. 13.06 F2 D2 B U2 R2 U2 L2 B F' U2 F' D L' F' L2 R' U2 L D2

x2
R' U2 R2 U R L2 // XCross
U R U' R' // F2L#2
L' U2 L U' L' U' L // F2L#3
y' U L' U' L U2 L' U' L // F2L#4
OLL
y2 Y-perm

Very cool scramble. I had a 13.29 and I failed to see the x-cross. If I had chosen your solution, I would have slotted the last pair rotationless. Is an easy case..

Not a good solve from my part, but it was such a lolscramble, a 1 move FB, and the SB was 10 moves or so

17.351 R2 B2 D2 U R2 U B2 D2 L2 B2 D2 B' L D R2 D2 B' U2 F2 L' D U'

Also good for CFOP:
y2 R' D R' L U' L F' U' F' // Double X-cross

 

[h2f]

Awesome! Few things I noticed:
- White cross only is for beginners.. (he he) Seriously, solve nr 4 had two yellow edge pieces connected and already in the correct spot.
- Your cross + 1 is just as fast as mine! All of these 5 solves where under 5 secs.
- F2L incredibly smooth as in pauseless. Good job.
- OLL recognition is too slow.
- PLL recognition is too slow.

Thank you Marcel for your feedback. It matters to me. My cross+1 was weakiest part of my solves. Intresting that it became better. I solve sometimes with yellow on bottom but I knew it would be 2-3 seconds slower than normal. I think I'll do few sessions with it. And you're right - OLL and PLL recognition is what I thought I must work with. 2 seconds will give me sub20 in global avg.

 

[mafergut]

U L U' L' U2 L U' L' without the rotation for the last pair [...]

Nice solve. The last pair I would do like Raul.[...]

Very cool scramble. I had a 13.29 and I failed to see the x-cross. If I had chosen your solution, I would have slotted the last pair rotationless. Is an easy case.

I'm a patzer, what can I say. It's evident that I desperately need to work on my F2L efficiency. Maybe I'll post more reconstructions so that you guys can help me with that!

Thank you Marcel for your feedback. It matters to me. My cross+1 was weakiest part of my solves. Intresting that it became better. I solve sometimes with yellow on bottom but I knew it would be 2-3 seconds slower than normal. I think I'll do few sessions with it. And you're right - OLL and PLL recognition is what I thought I must work with. 2 seconds will give me sub20 in global avg.

I would recommend you to learn 2-sided PLL recognition from this guide that mark49152 created. It's the easiest to learn from in my opinion. I'm already on it. For OLL I don't have any recommendations other than keep doing solves. I have developed a visual connection to the muscular memory to a point that if I try to execute an OLL with an already oriented LL many times I simply can't get the memory trigger to happen or I just do the wrong one. Well, unless it's one of the easy cases, like the Ts or the 2nd look ones. That also is a problem for 4x4, as the different proportions of the center, edges and corners blocks my memory trigger and I end up having to do 2L OLL many times. It's not a muscular memory problem (that I also have in some cases with 4x4) but a recognition one. Does anybody else suffer this problem? I assume that with more 4x4 practice the issue would slowly disappear.

 

[MarcelP]

I'm a patzer, what can I say.

LOL.. I did not mean to say your solution is worse or slower. It is a matter of preference. I tend to rotate when I have not yet spotted my next pair.. The rotation could reveal trapped corners.

 

[h2f]

I would recommend you to learn 2-sided PLL recognition from this guide that mark49152 created. It's the easiest to learn from in my opinion. I'm already on it. For OLL I don't have any recommendations other than keep doing solves. I have developed a visual connection to the muscular memory to a point that if I try to execute an OLL with an already oriented LL many times I simply can't get the memory trigger to happen or I just do the wrong one. Well, unless it's one of the easy cases, like the Ts or the 2nd look ones. That also is a problem for 4x4, as the different proportions of the center, edges and corners blocks my memory trigger and I end up having to do 2L OLL many times. It's not a muscular memory problem (that I also have in some cases with 4x4) but a recognition one. Does anybody else suffer this problem? I assume that with more 4x4 practice the issue would slowly disappear.

I like Mark's threads - they are very good resources. Once I find something similiar in Internet. I'm not sure if it wasnt' Sarah's page. Lots of Plls I can recon from two sides but there are few it's hard for me. And with OLLs it's much worse in my case.

Thanks for a link, Mafergut!

I knew it was often asked: LL is 1/3 (34 or 38%) of the solve? This means in sub 20 it should take less than 6,6 seconds?

 

[mafergut]

LOL.. I did not mean to say your solution is worse or slower. It is a matter of preference. I tend to rotate when I have not yet spotted my next pair.. The rotation could reveal trapped corners.

It IS worse and slower but, c'mon, if I didn't like constructive criticism I wouldn't post in this forum. That's what makes this community thrive and what I like so much. Please, keep giving me suggestions and helping me get better. I will try to do the same.

I like Mark's threads - they are very good resources. Once I find something similiar in Internet. I'm not sure if it wasnt' Sarah's page. Lots of Plls I can recon from two sides but there are few it's hard for me. And with OLLs it's much worse in my case.

Thanks for a link, Mafergut!

I knew it was often asked: LL is 1/3 (34 or 38%) of the solve? This means in sub 20 it should take less than 6,6 seconds?

You're welcome! The same happens to me, there are some PLLs that I can recognize from almost any two sides, others only from some combinations of two sides. And it's not only recognition what this method brings to the table but also you learn to immediately identify how to AUF for your alg from that specific "view" for each case so that you can avoid nasty habits such as looking around all the cube before starting to AUF, which can help save half a second or more from most solves. More advanced people also immediately deducts how to post-AUF by looking at how the 2 first layers are relative to the LL, which can also save some tenths.

It's been a while since I last took my splits but I'd say for an 18sec full-step solve I'm like 12 sec cross+F2L and 6 sec LL so it matches that 1/3 rule you mention.

 

[Logiqx]

Got it on cam! Not just a sub 20 but a new PB too. (PLL skip but that's fine by me)

https://youtu.be/NIZbB1qpXDc

Nice. Great to see a PB solve and great reaction.

This thread sure is busy... I've quickly skimmed through the last few weeks worth and a lot seems to have been going on!

I'm now back to cubing after an enforced break following the UKC in November. Life got pretty crazy and I basically stopped cubing to keep on top of everything!

I'm now in a new job with a long commute (1h 40m each way - car, train, tube, train) but I've managed to do some slow / quiet solves to get back into cubing this week (~1hr each day whilst on the trains). I have no desire to do any solves on the tube but slow solving whilst seated on a normal train will be my best opportunity to get some practice.

Annoyingly, I've forgotten some of my OH PLLs by stopping for 6 weeks and a few of my 2H OLLs but the slow solving seems to have paid off. I've just done my first timed session since early November and got a 12.70 full step solve along with a 16.29 Ao5. Nice to see that despite a bit of alg-amnesia, I can still do some good solves.

 

[mafergut]

Welcome back! We were missing you already.
Nice times, it looks like you are one of those people that improves just by taking breaks. I cannot say the same, sadly.

 

[Jason Green]

I have like a 15 minute drive to work. I couldn't handle a long commute, but if it was a train that I could cube on that might be OK. Good solves! I'm not sure what I could do after 6 weeks but I don't want to find out.

 

[Logiqx]

Nice times, it looks like you are one of those people that improves just by taking breaks. I cannot say the same, sadly.

I wouldn't say it helps me taking time off but it forces me to focus and try to re-adopt good habits. Slow solving and not caring about my times for a few days feels like a decent way to get back into cubing. My global average is probably slower than it was leading up to UKC but it was cool to get a PB single and Ao5 today.

I have like a 15 minute drive to work. I couldn't handle a long commute, but if it was a train that I could cube on that might be OK. Good solves! I'm not sure what I could do after 6 weeks but I don't want to find out.

Yeah. The commute isn't great but the opportunity to solve for 30-40 minutes in the morning and the same amount on the way home makes it slightly more bearable.

p.s. No complaints about noise from my fellow passengers, yet. lol