Ernie Pulchny
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Even though the WCA has a reason to remove Magics, I still think it's stupid. Even after it's removal, I'll still think it's stupid.
Official confirmation of the removal of Magic and Master Magic events
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vcuber13
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please, enlighten us why they should keep it.
Thompson
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But dude! If you can maintain your world records then you will be #1 forever!!!!!
samchoochiu
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do the times remain on your profile?
JasonK
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This makes no sense to me. If they have a good reason, how is it stupid?
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gogozerg
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"Lack of puzzle quality"... Of course.
"Difficulty in regulation"... Certainly.
But there's absolutely nothing new.
WCA does not explain why they decided to remove Magic events now.
Did they just realize it is not a puzzle?
Since we cannot reliably time a solve with our timing procedure, the 2^3 event will disappear next?
"Difficulty in regulation"... Certainly.
But there's absolutely nothing new.
WCA does not explain why they decided to remove Magic events now.
Did they just realize it is not a puzzle?
Since we cannot reliably time a solve with our timing procedure, the 2^3 event will disappear next?
Ernie Pulchny
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There are some people who can solve a Magic and/or Master Magic, and can't even solve a 3x3. When the WCA removes Magics, those people will lose their chance of competing in those events. Also, I personally think removing Magics is stupid because it's a popular event in the WCA, and doesn't take alot of time. I like the Magics, but it's a shame for Magic and Master Magic lovers like me to know about this. When Magics are gone, people need to start compromising on what events can be good for a competition that doesn't have the Magics.
Thepuzzlesolver
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I can think of a two reasons why, and I know this will add questions too...
1. They can video tape the solves and replay them in slow motion...
a. This can be done during Blind solves due to their massive time
i. This would be done by one or two judges, and other judges would still judge the blind events
b. Could be videotaped by many angles
2. There are a lot of magic solvers, so this would cause more uproar then people unbothered.
I hope competitions still hold it, even if it isn't official. Hopefully, either it will come back or this decision will be a scare to those magic solvers, such as myself, and this won't go through.
cityzach
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It sucks that magics are being removed but honestly there's nothing we can do about it. We're powerless. Personally I think our voices should be able to be heard, and if enough people don't want magics to be removed we should keep them. And for the people that really dislike magics for whatever reason, they just shouldn't compete in them.
anyway, I'm obviously really upset that magics are being removed, but since there's nothing that can stop it there's no point in arguing about it...
Thepuzzlesolver
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Agreed, and I'm upset about it too. I agree that we're powerless, I just wish they could hear our voices. After all without us there would be no WCA. This chat will probably fall apart like the other one did...
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Thepuzzlesolver
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Explain, it isn't that much work, unless your working on finding every last detail on every last rule.
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What a pain in the arm!
Thepuzzlesolver
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Alright, its not that much on small events. I took information from a recent competition 'Raleigh Open 2012' there were 15 magic solvers and 5 master magic solvers, thats 20 people multiply by 5 for the average, and its only 100 solves, and they could do it only on sub-2 or lower, and some people aren't that fast...
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Only 100?
Analyzing 100 solves sounds like a major pain. And you can't just only analyze the fast ones.
And that was a relatively small competition. That doesn't mean that we wouldn't have to do this for large competitions too.
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Thepuzzlesolver
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100 solves and multiple judges, 10 judges 10 solves each, I never said it had to be all done by a single person. If that average is kept of 10 solves each, even 1000 which would be an extremely high amount of people for a competition, 100 judges, even if there was only 50 of those more than 200 people its only 20 solves each, It wouldn't take that long to be honest, the high number just makes it seem like it would
vcuber13
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where are you going to find the time and resources?
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