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Official confirmation of the removal of Magic and Master Magic events

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100 solves and multiple judges, 10 judges 10 solves each, I never said it had to be all done by a single person. If that average is kept of 10 solves each, even 1000 which would be an extremely high amount of people for a competition, 100 judges, even if there was only 50 of those more than 200 people its only 20 solves each, It wouldn't take that long to be honest, the high number just makes it seem like it would
All those people need to know what their looking for, how to operate whatever software is used to slow down the video, etc.
And we haven't even addressed the cost of getting all this video equipment...
The whole thing is just too complicated to be worth it.
 
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All those people need to know what their looking for, how to operate whatever software is used to slow down the video, etc.
And we haven't even addressed the cost of getting all this video equipment...
The whole thing is just too complicated to be worth it.
True, it was a raw idea to begin with.... and yeah, now that I think about it is is too complicated and costly
 
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Tim had to judge each person at Raleigh because no one else was qualified. I DNFed my average, and I didn't even realize it myself. I analyzed the video on the way home, and it took FOREVER. I was looking for everything Tim told me, and everything what he told me was true. 100 solves will take a long time to analyze. On top of that, there will always be some type of bias from the analysts, that is, if it's any random competitor or judge. Recording every solve will be hell, and then to slow them down will just be a waste of time. I'm really sad that magics have to go, and what you suggested has a good intention, but the reality of it is that it's nearly impossible to analyze on a large scale, and we'll just have to live with the board's decision.
 
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Tim had to judge each person at Raleigh because no one else was qualified. I DNFed my average, and I didn't even realize it myself. I analyzed the video on the way home, and it took FOREVER. I was looking for everything Tim told me, and everything what he told me was true. 100 solves will take a long time to analyze. On top of that, there will always be some type of bias from the analysts, that is, if it's any random competitor or judge. Recording every solve will be hell, and then to slow them down will just be a waste of time. I'm really sad that magics have to go, and what you suggested has a good intention, but the reality of it is that it's nearly impossible to analyze on a large scale, and we'll just have to live with the board's decision.
I realize that, I just hate this extremely. If I ever try to host an event, I will include magic, even if its not official. I probably won't though. I hate this and I wish magic could stay...
 
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I think he means that they didn't become official, that one comp did them as a side event because they did what they want.

I'm glad to see Magic go. It's about time.
 
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I hereby announce a mini-challenge to get as many official magic/mastermagic solves as possible. The winner is the one with the most from now until the events are retired.
As of right now, I have 30 solves (magic and master magic) to do at JSO, Yale, and Princeton. LSC usually has magics too so that's 40 for me right there.
 
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I hereby announce a mini-challenge to get as many official magic/mastermagic solves as possible. The winner is the one with the most from now until the events are retired.
And then the WCA announces "The Doing As Many Magic Solves As We Can Before The Deadline Championship will take place on December 31, 2012."

(can that actually be a thing please)
 
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For starters, I do like magic. However I do understand Tyson's points and yes they are valid points. My concern now is that the times will be archived, other than that I totally understand of this change. But this was such a problem, why wasn't this handled years ago? Before people began to sub-1 magic and sub-3 on master magic. There are some people that only do magic, for example Takao Hashimoto (great square-1 solver) only does Square-1, magic, and master magic as his main events. Its almost as if the WCA has been leading these people on (although I'm sure that wasn't the intention), people like Ernie and Yuxuan dedicated so much in magics thinking it will be an event that will be around for a long time as it already is.
Times getting archived really is taking away something from the competitor. In Yuxuan and Ernie's case, is that not taking away an official guiness world record? And for someone like Ernie, Zach, or me these times means something to us and we worked for them. As Stephan Pochman said "its like kicking someone's sand castle". Also I wanted to point out that Tyson's second contention is invalid towards master magic.

Bring on the flames people.
 
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There are some people that only do magic, for example Takao Hashimoto (great square-1 solver) only does Square-1, magic, and master magic as his main events.
You say some people only do magic, and then give, as an "example", someone who does something other than magic very well. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of your post, I just found this too funny.
 
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You say some people only do magic, and then give, as an "example", someone who does something other than magic very well. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of your post, I just found this too funny.
He's good at magic and master magic as well. He had the continental record for master magic at one point. I think I should have mentioned that he is an much older competitor that travels a lot just to compete in square-1, magic, master magic, and sometimes megaminx. He has never competed in any other event, not even 3x3. Which means he will be going to competitions competing in just square-1 90% of the time now starting in 2013. This is a man who has been to 70 competitions in just 5 years. That number shows what these events mean to him, and for half his events to be gone is pretty sad. This is the example of one person who truly values magic.
Lastly, I don't understand how you wouldn't address my point if you found it funny. You tried to mock me but frankly I don't feel offended or degraded.
 
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He's good at magic and master magic as well. He had the continental record for master magic at one point. I think I should have mentioned that he is an much older competitor that travels a lot just to compete in square-1, magic, master magic, and sometimes megaminx. He has never competed in any other event, not even 3x3. Which means he will be going to competitions competing in just square-1 90% of the time now starting in 2013. This is a man who has been to 70 competitions in just 5 years. That number shows what these events mean to him, and for half his events to be gone is pretty sad. This is the example of one person who truly values magic.
Literally every word of this paragraph is irrelevant to my post.

Lastly, I don't understand how you wouldn't address my point if you found it funny.
I honestly don't know what this sentence is supposed to mean. I did address your point..?

You tried to mock me but frankly I don't feel offended or degraded.
I am glad that you don't feel offended or degraded, because I didn't intend to cause either. I was merely pointing out an amusing flaw in your (...what's the word I want here? reasoning? argument? eh whatever)
 
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