New to speedcubing, lots of questions

[Waynilein]

Thanks for the replies
I see some people like going off topic... While the offtopic forum is filled with cube-related threads o.O

 

[nitrocan]

well this is a cube forum so even off topic is generally cube related

 

[hawkmp4]

Congratulations, nitrocan, you hijacked a thread and ran it into nothingness.
=D

 

[nitrocan]

thanks but the question was answered anyway

 

[pcharles93]

You think this thread's off topic? You should see the one with Andrew Kang on the radio.

 

[hagendaasmaser]

The Sub-30 question is all based on dedication. I picked up a cube and solved it for the first time about 4 months ago and am now averaging 20-21 with a low SD. Learning the algs do take time but after u got them down, you won't have to think about them. If you're a fast learner it should be easy to improve quickly with some practice of course

 

[JBCM627]

I like pickles, too. Link!

 

[hawkmp4]

I like pickles, too. Link!

That made me lol.
Sweet or Dill?

 

[hikepark]

Hello speedcubers

I learned how to solve the cube with the beginners method a few months ago (had to look up most algorithms as I solve, of course). A few days ago, I discovered speedcubing and I thought I'd give it a shot.

I searched for faster solving methods, I didn't like Fridrich because it had way too many algorithms to learn (I'm lazy -.-), I tried Heise but it confused me since I don't have much experience with the cube yet.

I settled for Petrus for now, I know the 7 algorithms that are necessary (1 for edge orientation, 2 for corner positioning, 1 for corner orientation, 3 for edge positioning).

My best solve is 1 minute 43 seconds, my averages are a little over 2 minutes.


So, my questions...
Should I stick with Petrus? I see most people use Fridrich, what are the advantages of it?

Petrus and Fridrich are in the same time range for speed i think it's a matter of personal opinion- For Fridrich you do have a lot of algorithms but they cover almost everything(other than the cross and intuitive F2L),in other words all you have to think about is what OLL, PLL, or F2L alg will solve or bring you closer to solving the cube-Petrus( I don't know much about) but i can tell you the Petrus method uses far less moves than the Fridrich which is useful if you're in a fewest moves contest but a lot of Petrus is intuitive so when you are still building up the skills to make a 2x2 block and things like that your times will be slower but once you master those skills you will start to speed up greatly
Good luck

 

[blah]

imo choosing between Petrus and Fridrich is a matter of personal preference. Fridrich can get very fast, and the fastest cubers use it. The only problem is that Fridrich has a lot of algs, and it takes a lot of practice to master.

Are you sure you got that right? I thought Fridrich is the method that requires the least amount of practice to get fast vis-a-vis other block-building methods?

 

[hawkmp4]

Yes, but 78 algorithms for LL isn't exactly quick to learn.
If I remember correctly, Petrus' 2LLL uses COLL and then edge permutation, right? so...that's a little over 40 algs. And Roux, from what I remember, requires what, like 6?

 

[nitrocan]

full roux requires much more than 6

78 algs, isnt that much actually. you can get them in about 4 months. vh or zb is the real deal!

 

[blah]

full roux requires much more than 6

78 algs, isnt that much actually. you can get them in about 4 months. vh or zb is the real deal!

Nah, VHF2L is nothing compared to OLL/PLL, I've learned the whole thing, but I don't use it much, because I haven't learnt COLL, and I really don't think it's worthwhile wasting so many moves when you can just do a 3 move insertion. And c'mon, let's face it, how many OLLs are so bad you really can't stand having them? For me there's none. And I wouldn't want all the PLLs I learned go to waste, especially the nice ones, so I don't think VH is a good option unless you're planning on full ZB.

 

[MTGjumper]

*waits for someone to argue that Heise method is easy because it has "no algorithms"*

More speedcubers should really try blockbuilding methods; it would be interesting to see how fast these methods could get, given the time and dedication that more people give to Fridrich.
I'm very aware of the hypocrisy, thank you very much.

 

[Rabid]

More speedcubers should really try blockbuilding methods; it would be interesting to see how fast these methods could get, given the time and dedication that more people give to Fridrich.[/COLOR]

I agree.
Fewer turns (Petrus) is theoretically fastest (unless the look-aheads require more time or the physical turns are more onerous).. and I don’t see that being the case.
Fridrich is comparatively inefficient due to its inelegance. I can’t (won’t) argue with record cubists who use inferior systems, but I can’t help but question the superiority of their chosen method.
Perhaps they simply can’t bear to flush their time investment?

 

[nitrocan]

what im thinking, why learn edge orientation with last pair, coll and epll, when you can learn oll and pll , then after that when you learn coll, it'll be monster fast. because generally oll cases are easier to execute with a pll afterwards.
but theres something i dont like with coll, some other plls are faster than eplls (well maybe faster than z perm) i would prefer a j or a t perm to a z perm

 

[not_kevin]

Yes, but 78 algorithms for LL isn't exactly quick to learn.
If I remember correctly, Petrus' 2LLL uses COLL and then edge permutation, right? so...that's a little over 40 algs. And Roux, from what I remember, requires what, like 6?

You also don't need all 78 algs to do well with it. People have gotten 15 averages with just 31.

 

[pcharles93]

because generally oll cases are easier to execute with a pll afterwards.

Do you even read what you type?

 

[nitrocan]

what didnt you understand

 

[pcharles93]

OLL's are easier to execute with a PLL afterwards. Of course, you don't just stop at OLL unless you have a PLL skip, but how often do you get those?