Nakajima PLL Skips

[F1Z2L3]

Does anyone know how Nakajima consistantly sets up a PLL skip? I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on his youtube channel that he can do PLL skip X/X times (don't remember). anyway, does anyone know how he does this?

 

[Hadley4000]

Luck.
Too short.

 

[fanwuq]

I'm not aware of this.
But if you use VHF2L and COLL, it is an easy way (few algorithms) to get 8/12 U perms, 2/12 Z perms, 1/12 H perms, 1/12 PLL skip.
He does not use this (at least not his main method).

 

[F1Z2L3]

I'm not aware of this.
But if you use VHF2L and COLL, it is an easy way (few algorithms) to get 8/12 U perms, 2/12 Z perms, 1/12 H perms, 1/12 PLL skip.
He does not use this (at least not his main method).

I know that, but I'm going to try and find where I read it. I've seen several videos of him doing PLL skip.

 

[DavidWoner]

Umm he doesn't. I don't know what you read, but it was wrong. He gets no more PLL skips than anyone else. the X/X was probably 1/72, which is the normal chance of a PLL skip.

I know that, but I'm going to try and find where I read it. I've seen several videos of him doing PLL skip.

I am not a Nakaji fanboy, but still only 2 vids come to mind, his 2x2-7x7 relay, and his 6.xx PLL skip. And even if he does have a lot of PLL skip videos, wouldn't make sense that he would post only his fastest videos?

 

[F1Z2L3]

Oh it was probably a mistake on my part. Do you know if he does intuitive f2l or he just knows all the cases

 

[F1Z2L3]

I'm not aware of this.
But if you use VHF2L and COLL, it is an easy way (few algorithms) to get 8/12 U perms, 2/12 Z perms, 1/12 H perms, 1/12 PLL skip.
He does not use this (at least not his main method).

I might be wrong on this but I don't see how it would be that useful to learn coll and vhf2l if you know all oll and pll cases anyway.

 

[a small kitten]

f2l -> vhf2l -> coll -> epll is useless imo. It takes an extra step. However, knowing COLL is useful if you have a cross oll to begin with. It replaces that oll and gives you either a pll skip or an easy pll

 

[F1Z2L3]

f2l -> vhf2l -> coll -> epll is useless imo. It takes an extra step. However, knowing COLL is useful if you have a cross oll to begin with. It replaces that oll and gives you either a pll skip or an easy pll

I knew that it would set up an easier pll case but I didn't know that it increases the chances of getting a pll skip. If your right about this I think might learn a few coll cases. Do you think thats how Nakajima probably got it in his video?

 

[a small kitten]

Well, the statistics are accurate. I use ZZ which gives you a "cross oll" 100% of the time, so combining that with coll usually yields very quick last layer. however, i dont think its helpful to learn coll before you learn olls if you are a fridrich solver. coll is more of an extra option.

as for nakajima's solves, i have no clue what he's doing. perhaps those pll skips are lucky. i heard he practices A LOT, so maybe he just solves too many cubes.

 

[F1Z2L3]

however, i dont think its helpful to learn coll before you learn olls if you are a fridrich solver. coll is more of an extra option.

Thats exactly what I thought initially. I'm a fridrich solver, so when I first looked up coll I said to myself "whats the point of this? Wouldn't it be useless memorization?"

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

Does anyone know how Nakajima consistantly sets up a PLL skip? I remember reading somewhere, I think it was on his youtube channel that he can do PLL skip X/X times (don't remember). anyway, does anyone know how he does this?

Are you SERIOUS?

 

[fanwuq]

f2l -> vhf2l -> coll -> epll is useless imo. It takes an extra step. However, knowing COLL is useful if you have a cross oll to begin with. It replaces that oll and gives you either a pll skip or an easy pll

I think it's worth it. I like to learn useful algs, not blindly learn patterns. VHF2L is useful and interesting. It can be used as the ELS in MGLS. There are many directions to go from there. I disliked OLL from the beginning, not because I can't memorize algs, but that I think that step is wasteful. VHF2L is easy, intuitive and can be sub-1 second. COLL can be useful in FMC. EPLL can be done in less than one second, so I don't even really count it. I do every thing I can to avoid learning the OLLs, even it means learning more algs like MGLS.

 

[F1Z2L3]

f2l -> vhf2l -> coll -> epll is useless imo. It takes an extra step. However, knowing COLL is useful if you have a cross oll to begin with. It replaces that oll and gives you either a pll skip or an easy pll

I think it's worth it. I like to learn useful algs, not blindly learn patterns. VHF2L is useful and interesting. It can be used as the ELS in MGLS. There are many directions to go from there. I disliked OLL from the beginning, not because I can't memorize algs, but that I think that step is wasteful. VHF2L is easy, intuitive and can be sub-1 second. COLL can be useful in FMC. EPLL can be done in less than one second, so I don't even really count it. I do every thing I can to avoid learning the OLLs, even it means learning more algs like MGLS.

I know this is a noob question but what is the difference between vhf2l, zbf2l, and regular f2l algorithms. Also what is ELS, MGLS, FMC, EPLL. The only thing I could understand was you try to avoid doing the oll step. Thanks again for the help.

 

[a small kitten]

vhf2l is an f2l technique where you pair the corner and the edge first. then when you insert it you also orient the top layer edges. zbf2l is a more complex version that doesn't require you to pair the corner and the edge up. it just does the job for you. however, it has a lot of algs compared to vh. regular f2l algorithms give you all sorts of different orientations for last layer.

VHF2L is easy, intuitive and can be sub-1 second.

you mean to say that you can pair a corner and an edge, not insert it, recognize a vh case and then execute it in 1 second?