My 3x3 in 9.90 seconds video. The umm... "fake" one

[Faz]

As some of you (fazrulz) may know, I'm usually pretty skeptical, but I believe him, and I think some of you guys should back off and stop assuming people can't be luckier and better than you are.
Also, who gives a flying duck about 2x2 single?

Ohai there Ethan.

If you fill your signature with lucky single solve times, you have to expect that people are going to call you on it. I strongly suggest putting PB averages there instead (they'd give people a better representation of your skill) or at least nonlucky single times.


Also: after watching the video, I think your scramble and solution is wrong. Here's what I saw:

Scramble (yellow top, blue front): B U2 R2 D' U2 F2 U' L' B2 L' D L B2 L F2 R2 (16f*)
Double xcross: u U R'
F2L 3: U' R' U R U y L U L'
F2L 4: U2 y' R' U2 R U' R' U' R U' R' U R
OLL: (skipped)
PLL: U' y x L2 D2 L' U' L D2 L' U L'

33 move solve, pretty lucky if you ask me, but not necessarily fake.

Yes, that solution is the real one, and only 33 moves. That is one of the lowest ever more counts for a speedsolve, and getting 9.90 seconds gives you a tps of 3.3, which is quite slow. People with those sort of tps's average around 20 seconds.

Also, the fact that there are barely any pauses in your solve lead me to believe that you rehearsed the scramble. If you want be to change my opinion, please convince me.

Solve these 5 scrambles, and make a video. I expect a sub 17 average, which is still quite lenient, considering most people only get sub 10 solves, lucky or nonlucky when they average sub 15.

But then again, there is still the chance you can practice these scrambles, and I'm not sure how to make sure you haven't

1. R2 F' B U' L R2 B R' B' F2 L' U' F B' R2 B2 F2 L2 D L2 R F' L' R F
2. L B2 L' U' B L U B2 U' D L B2 U L2 U L' R' B D' L F2 B2 R' L2 D2
3. L' D' L' U2 B2 F' U' B' U2 D2 L R' B' F' R2 D F U B' F2 U' B' F2 R2 B
4. U D2 B R2 U' B L2 R' B2 D2 R2 U D B U' D L' R' D U F D2 F2 R B'
5. F B L' D' U R' B' L' D2 L D2 B2 F' R F' R2 D' R L B2 L2 R' U' L2 R2

 

[IamWEB]

He could start recording BEFORE you post the scrambles, and while in the same video, do the scrambles right after seeing the post.

 

[CharlieCooper]

I have done all the commenting there is to be done on this video so I won't change my mind in that respect.

All I will say, is that Ben and I are pretty much identical at 3x3 if you look at our WCA pages. For that reason I know that getting a solve of this time is completely impossible for me. The only one time that I have sub 10ed was a complete last layer skip that I happened to speed solve while racing on webcam with joey, when I was quite a bit faster overall anyway (whereas when I have otherwise had a LLS I have just been slow solving). I have had quite a few 13s, and a maximum of 5 11s within pretty normal averages, but this has largely been because of taking advantage of block building and on the whole I do not get those times in regular averages.

As for the lad in question, Ben isn't a bad kid. I was probably too quick to judge him to be an annoying person due to what I perceived to be fake videos, and I admit that. I maintain my opinion, but I don't think Ben is a bad person at all. He came to the competition I organised, I lent him my square-1, he was the model competitor and was very polite. He is however quite young, and young cubers occasionally will... "embellish" their cubing CV. He wouldn't be the first to do that, nor would he be the last. I don't think he means to anger anyone at all, he just doesn't seem to realise how much it annoys people when videos appear "fake".

Why am I posting so early? eurgh.
Lars is back from holidays!

 

[qqwref]

For that reason I know that getting a solve of this time is completely impossible for me.

Even with a three-move double extended cross?

 

[CharlieCooper]

For that reason I know that getting a solve of this time is completely impossible for me.

Even with a three-move double extended cross?

Yeah probably - I don't think in crosses Anyway, even with that it would still be pretty hard to get sub 10. I just attempted a few solves with the 2x2x3 part of the cube already done and even then I didn't get that many sub 10.

 

[Yes We Can!]

@ Ben: I want to see a sub-1 4x4 solve please

he can't practise that!

 

[Jake Gouldon]

I average around 20 on a bad day yet I can still get sub-1 4x4...

 

[ben1996123]

I want to see a sub-1 4x4 solve please

Lol, I have only ever had 2 sub 1 4x4's, both were extremely lucky. The 49.33 second one was 2 centres skipped, and about 5 edges skipped, with a 3x3 PLL skip. AND!!! I dont have a 4x4...

 

[Novriil]

Lol, I think he seriously thought he could fool us by providing a solution. No solve has that easy of a cross, followed by that easy of a first insertion, followed by that easy of a second insertion, followed by your favorite F2L fingertrick, followed by an OLL skip. It just doesn't happen like that. Sorry

I had that on FMC!! on a comp.. bad for me that I didn't know that I have to put cube rotations too 47 moves.. bad but cross was like 6 moves, then two F2L pairs were just U2 L' U' L, one with... some other stuff and then more..

no skips though


Sorry I still don't believe You.




E: TWO CENTERS SKIPPED???!?!?!??! are you crazy? Do you hand scramble ? OMFG!

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I want to see a sub-1 4x4 solve please

Lol, I have only ever had 2 sub 1 4x4's, both were extremely lucky. The 49.33 second one was 2 centres skipped, and about 5 edges skipped, with a 3x3 PLL skip. AND!!! I dont have a 4x4...

Ok, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now that's gone. Switch me over to the people who don't believe anything you say.

 

[ben1996123]

E: TWO CENTERS SKIPPED???!?!?!??! are you crazy? Do you hand scramble ? OMFG!

Nope, proper scramble

 

[edd5190]

E: TWO CENTERS SKIPPED???!?!?!??! are you crazy? Do you hand scramble ? OMFG!

Nope, proper scramble

Can you clarify this? Having a friend badly scramble doesn't make anything 'proper.'

 

[mcciff2112]

I want to see a sub-1 4x4 solve please

Lol, I have only ever had 2 sub 1 4x4's, both were extremely lucky. The 49.33 second one was 2 centres skipped, and about 5 edges skipped, with a 3x3 PLL skip. AND!!! I dont have a 4x4...

Once I had a 4x4 scramble where all the centers were solved, all the edges were solved, and the 3x3 part was solved. It was my new PB

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I want to see a sub-1 4x4 solve please

Lol, I have only ever had 2 sub 1 4x4's, both were extremely lucky. The 49.33 second one was 2 centres skipped, and about 5 edges skipped, with a 3x3 PLL skip. AND!!! I dont have a 4x4...

Once I had a 4x4 scramble where all the centers were solved, all the edges were solved, and the 3x3 part was solved. It was my new PB

I call shenanigans

 

[Robert-Y]

I wonder what are the chances of getting 2 centres (2x2) already solved and in their correct positions... (probably badly worded...)

 

[Jake Gouldon]

I wonder what are the chances of getting 2 centres (2x2) already solved and in their correct positions... (probably badly worded...)

The centre skips don't suprise me, I get it all the time (last 2 centers)... But the edges and PLL skip are just too suspicious.

 

[4Chan]

I wonder what are the chances of getting 2 centres (2x2) already solved and in their correct positions... (probably badly worded...)

I once had a cross skip~

But no, that statement seems to support ben...
I too think fazrulz is right, lets see an average in real time perhaps?
Webcam?

We provide scrambles, and see?

Its very possible, and very plausible.

 

[(X)]

I don't average sub 17 but I recently got my new PB of 10.17

It was a 36 move solve with a LL skip

Here's the scramble (from CCT) : R D2 U2 B2 F' D2 L' R2 D2 U F' D L R2 B2 F L2 R F2 L U' B2 D R2 F

and here's my solution:

cross: z D R' D R' F'
F2L 1: U y R U' R' U2 R' U' R
F2L2: U' L U L' U2 L U L'
F2L3: L' U L
F2L4: y' R' U R U2 R' U2 R U' R' U R
LL: U2

EDIT: Lying about the scramble and solution is suspicious though, I'm just saying it's possible. But if he has never been sub 15 non-lucky I highly doubt this is a real solve. I'm very unstable and my best non-lucky is 13.xy

Sometimes you just get lucky

 

[Robert-Y]

I wonder what are the chances of getting 2 centres (2x2) already solved and in their correct positions... (probably badly worded...)

The centre skips don't suprise me, I get it all the time (last 2 centers)... But the edges and PLL skip are just too suspicious.

:s I'm not certain but I think that skipping at least one edge is common.

 

[Jake Gouldon]

I wonder what are the chances of getting 2 centres (2x2) already solved and in their correct positions... (probably badly worded...)

The centre skips don't suprise me, I get it all the time (last 2 centers)... But the edges and PLL skip are just too suspicious.

:s I'm not certain but I think that skipping at least one edge is common.

But 5 isn't.