# Mr.Toad's Fifteen puzzle with timer (modified by stannic)

multi fringe
29:40.921 10057
Mean TPS: 5.647

#### uvafan

##### Member
16x16 - first try
41:50.109
9734 moves

#### stannic

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16x16: time 39:16.273, 11180 moves, tps 4.745, Multi Fringe scheme

Not very good attempt. Could be about 1 min lower but I've looped some tiles in light-blue fringe (8x8 subpuzzle)

Also, hands go numb.

[crazy idea] What about 16x16 - 2x2 relay? [/crazy idea]

times 2:06.994, 1:11.935, 32.446, 24.283, 8.908, 0.813 = 4:25.379
moves 696, 401, 186, 128, 46, 3 = 1460
tps 5.502
times 1:27.173, 1:30.744, 1:23.921, 1:07.077, 52.313, 1:08.844, 39.779, 26.891, 28.621, 14.876, 10.025, 10.305, 7.407, 2.260, 0.846 = 9:51.082
moves 523, 521, 480, 391, 321, 379, 226, 159, 168, 88, 60, 55, 45, 10, 1 = 3427
tps 5.798

Edit: one more 16x16. time 39:46.473, 11507 moves, tps 4.822, Multi Fringe scheme. Too late noiticed that 68 and 69 are swapped.

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#### qqwref

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Well, 1^3+...+n^3 ~= (n^4)/4 = n^3 * n/4. So if the amount of time is roughly n^3 we can expect a 2x2-16x16 relay to take about 4 times as long as the 16x16 itself, i.e. a bit under 2 hours for me. Not sure if I want to put in that kind of time, but it's not tooooo crazy.

#### vcuber13

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wouldnt they be squared?

#### qqwref

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No, because
Basically, you need O(N) moves to solve one tile, and there are O(N[SUP]2[/SUP]) tiles.
Unless you have a more precise idea. It might work out to N^x where x is a bit more than 3, for instance.

#### oranjules

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2:33.664 2-7 relay
1:10.689, 48.827, 20.088, 7.013, 5.365, 1.682 = 2:33.664
642, 457, 212, 64, 48, 13 = 1436
I failed so hard on the last 2 ones but i'm really happy for the first 2 ones, i think they are PBs.

EDIT : sub 2:30 ! 2:28.955, with 9.855 TPS
1:08.782, 46.176, 20.797, 8.917, 3.735, 0.548 = 2:28.955

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#### stannic

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1:08.782, 46.176, 20.797, 8.917, 3.735, 0.548 = 2:28.955
Your 7x7-2x2 total is just as my 7x7 only (2:32.131).
Your 7x7 is just 10 s faster than my 6x6.
Your 6x6 is just 10 s slower than my 5x5.
Your 5x5 is a few seconds slower than my 4x4.

I guess you're solving 8x8 in about 2:30 and 9x9 in about 3:30?

Edit 2: Just did 7x7-2x2 relay:

times 2:12.689, 1:21.709, 45.376, 16.128, 7.736, 1.112 = 4:44.750
moves 793, 480, 270, 97, 40, 6 = 1686
tps 5.921

I failed so hard on the last 2 ones but i'm really happy for the first 2 ones, i think they are PBs.
I would not be surprised if they are WRs... at least known WRs.

Edit: Update (v5.2 upd 3), now in relay mode the timer continues through the whole relay instead of resetting multiple times for each puzzle.

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#### Jaycee

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7x7-2x2 Relay (includes my first ever attempt at a 7x7 or 6x6) : 5:41.273.
2:27.060, 1:38.602, 55.315, 22.906, 14.775, 2.615 = 5:41.273
1552 moves = 4.548 TPS
Multi Fringe scheme.

I like this a lot

#### oranjules

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I did a 8x8 avg 5 : 2:13.073, with 1:58.264 single

#### stannic

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I did a 8x8 avg 5 : 2:13.073, with 1:58.264 single
Ok, to be consistent: 7x7 mo 10 pb 2:09.241, 757.1 moves

times: 2:16.380, 2:00.581, (2:21.978), (1:50.975), 2:16.429, 2:06.540, 2:06.681, 2:17.624, 2:12.441, 2:02.784
moves: 778, 730, 820, (638), 761, 780, 747, (831), 769, 717

#### qqwref

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stannic, can you make it so the relay doesn't clear the textbox every time? If you don't already do that. I'd like to be able to compare splits when I do a few solves in a row.

EDIT : sub 2:30 ! 2:28.955, with 9.855 TPS
1:08.782, 46.176, 20.797, 8.917, 3.735, 0.548 = 2:28.955
1:08 7x7 wtf. You are way too fast.

#### stannic

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stannic, can you make it so the relay doesn't clear the textbox every time? If you don't already do that. I'd like to be able to compare splits when I do a few solves in a row.
Done. Hope it will work in all possible circumstances :|

Link to v5.2 upd4

- stannic

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#### ThomasJE

Could we have an offline version that saves your times for all puzzles/relays? Possibly in a similar way to gqtimer.

#### stannic

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Could we have an offline version that saves your times for all puzzles/relays? Possibly in a similar way to gqtimer.
It should be possible but as far as I understand it requires using cookies. I'm not yet familiar with coding cookies. I'll look into it, anyway.

Also, I want to complete existing relay function. Right now, it displays only Mean time. I want to make it to display Avg, Ao5, Ao12 etc. too. I think it will be done after a certain time.

- stannic

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#### ThomasJE

It should be possible but as far as I understand it requires using cookies. I'm not yet familiar with coding cookies. I'll look into it, anyway.

- Bulat
Couldn't we have an external database, like Prisma Puzzle Timer? The only thing is that it could only be done offline, but I download it offline anyway, and I'm sure many others do too, so it shouldn't be a massive problem.

#### stannic

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Couldn't we have an external database, like Prisma Puzzle Timer? The only thing is that it could only be done offline, but I download it offline anyway, and I'm sure many others do too, so it shouldn't be a massive problem.
I'm pretty sure that it could be done in some way. However, it may require some time / rewriting / rethinking code.

(Edit: see qqwref's comment below)

I was initially trying to modify Mr.Toad's timer without massive rewriting and rethinking, just by adding some useful functions, such as Mean, Avg, TPS, adjusting colors etc.

I thought about changing the user interface because there are way too many controls already, and the existing interface is rather awkward. For example, to move the puzzle board in the top left corner, leaving the space in right side for the table, or something like this. However, this will not be modification anymore; this will probably be another timer.

For now, I'm trying to not make great changes but instead keep the timer in working state and fast enough. At the same time, I'm trying to figure out how will look new timer. Ultimately, I'll probably rewrite it from scratch. So any suggestions about how it should look/work are welcome.

Initially, I was thinking of creating offline stand-alone Windows application. But this would be Windows-only. It would be easier (for me) to make possible saving times / improve user interface / etc., but I found existing online timer and decided to modify it instead (btw, just since it had unfair scrambling function).

- stannic

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#### qqwref

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Couldn't we have an external database, like Prisma Puzzle Timer? The only thing is that it could only be done offline, but I download it offline anyway, and I'm sure many others do too, so it shouldn't be a massive problem.
Javascript can't modify files on your machine (except cookies and the like) so this won't happen unless a different language is used.

#### vcuber13

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48 puzzle pbs

1:31.11, (1:19.26), 1:29.35, (1:41.88), 1:35.82, 1:32.23, 1:30.11, 1:20.04, 1:24.80, 1:21.43, 1:27.80, 1:34.37

best time: 1:19.26
best avg5: 1:24.68 (σ = 3.19)
best avg12: 1:28.71 (σ = 5.24)

#### uvafan

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Woah

15 puzzle single 8.51 seconds 57 moves 6.698 tps