Modding Service

[ChickenWrap]

Shipping is free.

No it's free shipping.

Free shipping will still cost YOU money. Understand?

 

[Michael Womack]

Free shipping will still cost YOU money. Understand?

Yes I know but it's not that much.

 

[ChickenWrap]

Still, the math is way off. Even if your shipping costs you nothing, you will still be doing 7 hours of work for $10. That is an hourly wage of about $1.40/hr. Why not just work at McDonalds? They will pay you at least $8/hr.

 

[Michael Womack]

Still, the math is way off. Even if your shipping costs you nothing, you will still be doing 7 hours of work for $10. That is an hourly wage of about $1.40/hr. Why not just work at McDonalds? They will pay you at least $8/hr.

I'm doing this until I can find a good job. Also some people want to have a good modded cube but don't want to mod the cube themselves. While I have like 4 years of experience in modding cubes. Also some people would want to get a cube modded by me just so they can try my super mods.

 

[Rocky0701]

I'm doing this until I can find a good job. Also some people want to have a good modded cube but don't want to mod the cube themselves. While I have like 4 years of experience in modding cubes. Also some people would want to get a cube modded by me just so they can try my super mods.

This still makes no sense to me. If you want to make money until you can find a job, why don't you just mow lawns, rake leaves, etc. like other people?

 

[natezach728]

Why would you work to get $10 for 7 hours of work, while you can get $15 for 1 hour of work by mowing lawns and such, like Rocky0701 said?

 

[Lazy Einstein]

Woah who cares why he is doing it for the prices he chose. Don't trust him? Don't use his service.

Dude Clearly likes modding, wants practice, and is doing it cheap to help out others.

 

[Baku]

Michael, I think that you need to understand that before anyone sends you their cube, they want to know exactly what you are doing to their cube. So please, state what you are doing to the cube (ie: CPM Mod, 48 Point Edge Mod, or something else).

 

[IRNjuggle28]

So, what exactly is the "full" mod on a SS 5x5? Florian, and what else?

 

[mDiPalma]

I recommend you charge $17.28.

 

[Michael Womack]

Woah who cares why he is doing it for the prices he chose. Don't trust him? Don't use his service.

Dude Clearly likes modding, wants practice, and is doing it cheap to help out others.

Exactly that's what I have been trying to tell them.

 

[applemobile]

If I lived in Murrica, I would send my cubes to Michelle, I've seen hour long videos of his mods before, and they look fantastic. $10 is a bargain.

 

[pipkiksass]

If I lived in Murrica, I would send my cubes to Michelle, I've seen hour long videos of his mods before, and they look fantastic. $10 is a bargain.

I couldn't possibly condone slave labour!

Seriously Michael, if it takes you 7 hours then the price should reflect that. Post exactly what mods you do, and some good YouTube footage, then increase your price to like $35.

You should place a higher value on your personal time, even if others don't.

 

[Michael Womack]

I couldn't possibly condone slave labour!

Seriously Michael, if it takes you 7 hours then the price should reflect that. Post exactly what mods you do, and some good YouTube footage, then increase your price to like $35.

You should place a higher value on your personal time, even if others don't.

Oh here is a video of a finished modded SS 5x5 for forum member Eppley12. Oh and the video was uploaded on the 2nd of April.

see that. Also I don't want others to pay $35 for me to mod there cubes and thay don't really use the cube that much or don't like the turning of the modded cube. Also if I get more and more offers then I might raise the price.

 

[Blurry]

I don't enjoy arguing with people. But personally I believe that If Michael want's to mod cubes, gain experience and a reputation he is doing it right.
It's the same with starting out a business. You start with your expectations low, and your prices also low. Making sure your prices give you SOME income, with no regards of time spent. Customers with good experiences with you will recommend you and your reputation as well as your consumer base will grow. Carefully over time, you will learn what takes more effort, and what you PERSONALLY believe your work hours are worth. Videos and explanations of what is needed is a must though, explaining what exactly you do. Noting all the various expenses, buying supplies and various other needed essentials for what you need, as well as covering and hopefully explaining why your prices are what they are.
That is from a business standpoint, but you don't understand if modding is simply just a hobby, or something to do with free time. I'd rather be doing something productive than just sitting here, so gaining even £/$1 profit is still a increase in the amount of money you had previously.
Dictating what somebody should do with their money and where they get it from is unacceptable.
Personal opinion and personal needs require different things.

As I said. I dislike arguing/debating, but I felt this was needed.

 

[Michael Womack]

I don't enjoy arguing with people. But personally I believe that If Michael want's to mod cubes, gain experience and a reputation he is doing it right.
It's the same with starting out a business. You start with your expectations low, and your prices also low. Making sure your prices give you SOME income, with no regards of time spent. Customers with good experiences with you will recommend you and your reputation as well as your consumer base will grow. Carefully over time, you will learn what takes more effort, and what you PERSONALLY believe your work hours are worth. Videos and explanations of what is needed is a must though, explaining what exactly you do. Noting all the various expenses, buying supplies and various other needed essentials for what you need, as well as covering and hopefully explaining why your prices are what they are.
That is from a business standpoint, but you don't understand if modding is simply just a hobby, or something to do with free time. I'd rather be doing something productive than just sitting here, so gaining even £/$1 profit is still a increase in the amount of money you had previously.
Dictating what somebody should do with their money and where they get it from is unacceptable.
Personal opinion and personal needs require different things.

As I said. I dislike arguing/debating, but I felt this was needed.

I agree with you 100%. Also I had to start from somewhere.

 

[pipkiksass]

I don't want others to pay $35 for me to mod there cubes and thay don't really use the cube that much or don't like the turning of the modded cube.

A good description of the mods would avoid this. If you offer e.g. a Florian mod for a fixed price, and perform the mod, they get what they asked and paid for. If they don't like it, they asked for the wrong thing.

It's the same with starting out a business. You start with your expectations low, and your prices also low. Making sure your prices give you SOME income, with no regards of time spent.

Yes, but setting the prices this low would cause any startup business to go bankrupt very quickly.

Dictating what somebody should do with their money and where they get it from is unacceptable.
Personal opinion and personal needs require different things.

Who's doing this? Nobody's dictating, are they? Personally, I suggested Michael shouldn't undersell himself. Hobby or business, I don't believe anyone should operate as a loss. Except for Bugatti - they can afford it.

 

[stoic]

setting the prices this low would cause any startup business to go bankrupt very quickly.

Plenty of businesses have burned cash as a route becoming successful later on. Amazon springs to mind.

 

[Blurry]

I said as a example a business, in modding. I didn't describe what prices would be set, I said income would be received, implying that you would have a gain. I didn't say anything about how much I would personally feel they would increase, as I felt that would completely go against what I was trying to convey.

Dictating via a negative opinion. If you're trying to help someone fix their mistakes that's fair enough, but with enough negativity comes downfall and lack of motivation. People have been complaining for a while about these prices etc, but I feel 'operating at a loss' can conflict with doing something for fun, what you enjoy to kill spare time with.
It's like say, You enjoy cycling, and you decide to help some other people get started on learning how to ride a bike, for a price, but only a very small payment, as you simply enjoy helping others.
I personally disagree with your argument against operating at a loss, I'd rather know I had helped somebody and maybe given them a positive day, than to think about making sure you have enough money.
I also believe there is a fine line between business and a hobby. Your making money to make sure you can operate at a successful rate, which could be a estimated finance, or having a unreliable 'money maker' that you enjoy doing, therefore defeating the whole point of feeling that you are forcefully needed to achieve a salary at the end of it, rather making sure you achieve a sense of satisfaction from the person you was helping willingly.

 

[pipkiksass]

Plenty of businesses have burned cash as a route becoming successful later on. Amazon springs to mind.

Amazon operated at a loss because it was started by (among others) a very successful Wall Street banker, who had millions of dollars of his own money to invest. Also, they only operated at a loss because they had significant overheads and startup costs. They were always selling their products at a profit.

It's like say, You enjoy cycling, and you decide to help some other people get started on learning how to ride a bike, for a price, but only a very small payment, as you simply enjoy helping others.

I've taught people to cube; juggle; coached them through A-Levels; helped them complete job applications; completed job applications for them; given running coaching; built computers for people... I could go on. I've never charged for any of these 'services' because I enjoy helping others. I did these things as hobbies.

When you start charging for a service, you move away from the hobbyist realm, and into the business realm. My concern is that Michael is exposing himself to the potential for others to take advantage of his good nature and willingness to help. I've seen several of his threads trolled in the past, and wouldn't like to see this happen here.

I personally disagree with your argument against operating at a loss, I'd rather know I had helped somebody and maybe given them a positive day, than to think about making sure you have enough money.

You are young. In a capitalist society, only people for whom money is not a concern are not concerned about money. I do lots of things for free, but if I were to charge for something I would do so at a rate that I believe is fair and represents the value which I attribute to my time. This isn't because I want to make sure I have enough money, but rather because my time is valuable to me, as yours should be to you and Michael's should be to him.

You have a finite amount of life to live. As soon as you place a £/$ value on your time you are offering a business service. If this service operates at a loss, then you are giving your time away for a negative amount of money; effectively valuing your personal time at less than nothing. When there is an alternative to this arrangement (i.e. not charging, or charging a sensible amount), and customers are aware of these alternatives but pay an unreasonable price regardless, this is exploitation.

Michael, if I lived in the US I would send my 5x5 to you for modding. But I would insist on you sending me a breakdown of your costs. I would then send you cash amounting to the total of these costs, plus what I would consider to be a reasonable hourly rate.

Perhaps you could consider a pay what you want pricing strategy as an alternative? Suggest a minimum charge of e.g. $5, but if someone wants to pay you $40, they can.

Good luck in your endeavours.