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Melbourne Cube Day 2011

Which possible events would you like to be offered?

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Tim Major said:
Who seriously practices, who has world record potential. Seriously Faz ain't that great (in comparison) at 7x7.
We've had FMC at 2 comps, 7x7 at way more, but a similar amount of competitors and time used.
I'm sick off being assigned 7x7 scrambler, if it was that or FMC checking I'd certainly pick the latter.
The only person I know who seriously practices is Braden Helmer. Do you do more than a solve a day? I think the answer to this is no.
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I once put a huge amount of practise into 7x7. At the moment I don't cube so much so I don't put as much time into it, but when I do practise 6x6 is priority, and that lends towards 7x7 practise. I don't know why you would ever be assigned 7x7 scrambler; I should always do everyone except for my own solves which Faz scrambles. And no, I no longer do more than one solve a day on any puzzle. But I used to do averages of 12 every day and I worked my butt of to get to the speed that I'm at.

Interesting to hear that Braden actually practises. What numbers does he get? If he gets good it would be worth hosting the event occasionally for him. But I will stress that FMC is a logistical nightmare from our point of view, whereas 7x7 is much easier managed. It could always be run on the side of course, while other events are going. The only problem is that no one else takes control at competitions so I run everything and therefore while I'm busy on 7x7 nothing else gets done. I am happy to run FMC, multi, 6 and 7 all at the same time in the morning, and people can choose only one of either FMC, multi, or 6+7 (in the case that someone finishes multi early then they may attempt 6+7). Of course to do this we need to organise FMC and someone to judge for a whole hour and someone to mark the solves. If you're prepared to organise that then I don't care what you do, just set up on a side table or two and go for it.

We can't deny that these are all time consuming events. We have to prioritise more popular events and more rounds of those events, i.e. 3x3, OH, 2x2, 4x4. If you want to make my suggestion work (by dealing with FMC on the day) then I'm happy to try it.
 
I like the solution with FMC and Multi at the same time, therefor people who are finished with Multi do have something to and are not loud and distract the competitors.

But i would love to have a second Round of 5x5 as it's the only event that i'm practising for
 
Interesting to hear that Braden actually practises. What numbers does he get?

Hey dene right now i am averaging around 7:45 to 8:15 but you dont have to do 6 and 7 if its to much of a hassle!
 
primecuber said:
Interesting to hear that Braden actually practises. What numbers does he get?

Hey dene right now i am averaging around 7:45 to 8:15 but you dont have to do 6 and 7 if its to much of a hassle!
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Ooooh I thought he meant you practise FMC.

Well if no one actually practises FMC I see no reason to do it whatsoever.

Florian: I don't see what you mean? You would either do FMC or multi, not both.
 
I think it may be possible to arrange it the other way around, and have you do FMC first and if you finish early then have time for multi. If we do FMC there is no way I'm letting anyone start late, it would create an unfair environment for others competing in the event. I will talk to Tim about what we can arrange.
 
Well I mean if we're going to do FMC (which I still oppose) and multi then I guess we could try and arrange it. But I need to discuss it with Tim, and someone needs to take control of organising FMC on the day.
 
To Florian:
I discussed the possibility of doing FMC followed by multi and Tim (McMahon) outright dismissed the idea. So basically, you cannot do that. All competitors will have to choose between FMC or multi (or neither) and leave the other one for another time. I would suggest doing FMC this time and multi later, because we will likely do multi at every competition we hold, but rarely FMC. If you have any issues you will have to bring them up with Tim.

Tim Major:
Ok so we are going to include FMC in the schedule given someone takes control of the event on the day and ensures everything happens smoothly. I suggest either you take up that responsibility or ensure that someone else will do it. The person that takes control of the event must be at the venue plenty early to help set up tables in preparation for the event. They need to ensure that every competitor in the event is there at least 5 minutes early or else they are disqualified from the event. They need to ensure that every competitor is 100% familiar with the regulations for the event, and I strongly recommend preparing a list of things to tell the competitors before the event starts to make sure there are no issues (this would include things such as "go to the toilet now because you can't leave during the event unless you submit your solution early" and "please write your name on your paper that will have your solution from it RIGHT NOW so that no one submits a nameless solution"). Also, Tim and I both agreed that mobile phones would be held safe for competitors during the event to make doubly sure there are no issues with cheating; neither of us think that someone will cheat, however it's just easier to do this as an extra precaution and will help protect those competitors that comply from the threat of being accused of cheating, and it's not as if competitors would need their phone during the event anyway. The person that takes control of FMC would also need to ensure that there is a judge who knows the regulations and is happy to judge the event for the entire hour (Tim McMahon has suggested that he is prepared to judge). Also, someone would have to mark every solution CAREFULLY and do so many times over to ensure that they have come to the absolute correct judgement of that solution. If that person is someone that competes then they would have to have their own solution judged by someone else competent. These are just some suggestions, but there are probably many more things that could be done to ensure that there are absolutely no issues with the running of FMC on the day. If I think of anything else that I think is important I will relay that information to you through this thread. Otherwise it will be up to you or the person that takes on the role to get everything sorted.
 
I can't take control on FMC. I am competing, (I'm actually going to practise a bit to get as good as I used to be) however, I can test solutions if TimMc sees fit. Once mine is checked I could check everyone else's? If I say one doesn't work, then someone else could check to confirm.
I need to go now, but I need to stress I can't judge, or organise anything FMC related. I remember when I did the weeklies I averaged low thirties, and I think my pb outside the weeklies was 26. It's low maintenance, whoever is doing data entry just needs to glance up every now and then, and we just need to space competitors out.
Gotta go, we can discuss it at the meetup on Friday.
Tim.

Edit: Perhaps give the competitor a slip with a slot for name, and 80 boxes for moves (the legal limit). If a competitors hand writing is hard to read, and another official also can't make sense of it, the result should be DNF. The slip would be attached to the working out.
They would submit;

Name:
Movecount:
Solution in neat standard notation.: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ etc (80).
Confirmation by official:
Confirmed movecount:

And their working out sheet.

Keep a pen out of my reach if you think I'll change people who beat me wrongly. If I say it's wrong, or their movecount is different to what it actually is, then you/Tim could check. This way I can do the bulk of the work, without possibility for cheating.
 
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Yes well this is the sort of organisation I mean. I mean, obviously you can't judge or control things once you start competing, but I need someone to organise all competitors and make sure everything is prepared before the event starts. The judge would have to take control once it is actually time for the event to start. I would just like you (or someone else) to prepare a list of things and to go over them before the event and to make sure every competitor is ready to go and understands the event properly etc.
 
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