M2 method trick

[Alex Gold]

So I saw J Perm's video on Advanced M2 method tips and tricks -

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Tip 5 is skipping I/S targets sometimes. He goes on to show the alg needed so that you can solve both the letters in the letter pair at once. But he says that you can only use the method if the other letter is not in the M slice.

You can also use the method if both the letters are in the M slice though. Just use a set up move so that letter in the M slice goes to the R or L slice. So if the letter pair is AI then you can do a B move so that the A letter is in the H or LB position. It will break up the M slice but that doesn't matter. Then you can do the alg using the M2 set up move for H. Then you can undo the set up move you did at the start.

Just remember while using the set up move that you do not disturb the I/S target as well.

I don't know if it's too hard to do or if people already know about this though.

 

[Celeritardum]

What I do for any target with A, I will just cancel the last M2 move, and then for the AI target I will cancel the M2 with the first move. I think the idea of setting it up so it is not in the M slice is a good idea, and I haven't heard about it yet, but that is probably because I don't do blindsolving. Another option for both targets in the M slice is to just generate algs for them because they are fairly rare. In that case the best algs would be RUDM or RUFS gen.

 

[Spencer131]

I would recommend just learning 3-style edges instead of learning advanced M2 tricks. Understanding commutators is about the same difficulty as understanding these tricks, and it will get you a lot farther

 

[Mike Hughey]

The beauty of learning M2 is that so many of the ideal commutators for 3-style are just optimized versions of the 2 algorithms you use in M2 for the letters of a pair, with some moves canceled to make the commutator. You can basically just slowly switch letter pairs to 3-style as you learn them, and keep doing M2 for the pairs you haven't learned yet. The process can be as gradual as you like.

 

[GloopyGum]

The beauty of learning M2 is that so many of the ideal commutators for 3-style are just optimized versions of the 2 algorithms you use in M2 for the letters of a pair, with some moves canceled to make the commutator. You can basically just slowly switch letter pairs to 3-style as you learn them, and keep doing M2 for the pairs you haven't learned yet. The process can be as gradual as you like.

How would you use a combination of M2 and 3style if they have different buffers?

 

[Mike Hughey]

How would you use a combination of M2 and 3style if they have different buffers?

Oh, that's different. I used the same buffers for 3-style. I learned 3-style with the same buffer as M2. If you don't do that, I guess it doesn't work. I know some would argue the buffers for M2 are bad for 3-style, but it's what I know (and it's what almost everyone was using way back when I learned it). I'm very slow though, although not really because of my buffers - remember I'm not even really sub-20 at 3x3x3 - I'm slow at solving in general, and I'm also pretty slow at memorizing. I would still believe that a more normal-speed good solver would have no problem at all getting sub-30 at 3BLD with 3-style fixed buffers DF-UB.

It's also harder to mix M2 and 3-style if you're trying to move to floating buffers for 3-style. I'd probably just learn all of 3-style before moving to floating buffers.

 

[abunickabhi]

Personally, I dislike J perm's BLD tutorials.

 

[TheSpeedSkewber]

Personally, I dislike J perm's BLD tutorials.

To be honest, i also agree somewhat. I think i leaned towards his Old Pochmann tutorial as it was well edited and easy to go back to but i don't think some parts were as consise as they should have been, and important details were mentioned for only seconds. And although i did eventually learn the method i had to revisit the video to listen to any details i missed until i eventually figured out my mistake.

 

[GloopyGum]

Personally, I dislike J perm's BLD tutorials.

TBF his resources are the most accessible to beginners and present the information very well. His editing style is also very clean. They may not always contain the best information in retrospect, but from a beginner's perspective I think most of them are very good (with a few exceptions like his 3-style tutorials).