LHC didn't kill us yet

[CAT13]

However I think the money would be better spent developing a faster computer. Once we have a computer faster than a human brain, experiments will become pointless, the computer can solve all our problems!

Thank You!!!

(ok, now I am really not going to look again)

 

[hawkmp4]

Because your opinion is stupid?

What I say is this: The experiment is fun, I'm sure (honestly, I'd love to be there!) However I think the money would be better spent developing a faster computer. Once we have a computer faster than a human brain, experiments will become pointless, the computer can solve all our problems!

My opinion is stupid? Lets all put our fingers in our ears, shall we?

I'm rather...appalled by lack of thought that went into your last sentence. You really think that a sufficiently fast computer can solve any problem?

 

[Dene]

Because your opinion is stupid?

What I say is this: The experiment is fun, I'm sure (honestly, I'd love to be there!) However I think the money would be better spent developing a faster computer. Once we have a computer faster than a human brain, experiments will become pointless, the computer can solve all our problems!

My opinion is stupid? Lets all put our fingers in our ears, shall we?

I'm rather...appalled by lack of thought that went into your last sentence. You really think that a sufficiently fast computer can solve any problem?

Sorry, my post was directed at the one above yours. You posted in between . I'll add a quote to my other post.

 

[hawkmp4]

Okay, well the second part of my post still applies

 

[Bounb]

I hope that that post was entertaining to write, because I'm not going to read it all.

Are you actually kidding me? Jesus Christ.

And I never said "WHY WUD A SIENTISTS RISCK A BLAK HOLE FOR AN STUPID EXPERMENT WHO CARSE!!1! WAT A WAST OF MONIES" using that spelling and uppercase and stuff. but I did accidentally put a 1 in there

And I don't think I said anything about "RISCK A BLAK HOLE"

Ah, I thought you would capitalise on that one, pun not intended. I didn't quote you as having said that directly, I purposefully exaggerated your stance (and the way I have seen other people talking about this) to be demeaning.

And as I said before, I just have a different opinion than everyone else. And I don't really see what is wrong with that

Nothing wrong with an opinion, but there is something wrong with the "I'm not going to bother reading what you wrote" attitude. I can't understand it. I spent some time writing my thoughtful response to your totally unthoughtful comment in an attempt to help you understand this, and I get that sort of response. Really, I shouldn't be so surprised by this.

 

[CAT13]

Nothing wrong with an opinion, but there is something wrong with the "I'm not going to bother reading what you wrote" attitude. I can't understand it. I spent some time writing my thoughtful response to your totally unthoughtful comment in an attempt to help you understand this, and I get that sort of response. Really, I shouldn't be so surprised by this.

about that... I just wanted to see how you would react.

I just don't really care about how the LHC is the greatest scientific endeavor in history. Or about how it will show us how the universe is created. And I don't care about what makes stuff, stuff; I just care about how the stuff is stuff and not about the stuff like how the stuff turned to stuff. And yes I do know that 99.9% of light speed is fast. But I am quite interested about this giant purple buffalo you speak of

 

[Dene]

I'm rather...appalled by lack of thought that went into your last sentence. You really think that a sufficiently fast computer can solve any problem?

Super intelligence?

EDIT: BTW, i'm doing a university paper on this stuff, just so you know.

 

[hawkmp4]

That doesn't make you right, necessarily.
Sure, a computer will be able to do something humans can't because it can calculate things much faster than humans. But what will it calculate? Where are the algorithms it runs through going to come from?
No matter how quickly a computer can analyze data, its going to need data to analyze and if the boundaries of knowledge are going to be pushed, experiments will need to be done.

 

[Escher]

i think what CAT13 was trying to say is... that apart from making lots of scientists very interested/curious/happy, what are its benefits or potential benefits to everyday man? will it pave the way for newer, faster, cheaper technology for everyone? will it cure HIV/AIDS, cancer etc? will it help people?
would $6 billion (or whatever) have been better spent on hospitals in Africa, or helping people in the Sudan, or gone towards renewable energy technologies?

thats not really my opinion, but just wanted to try and clarify the argument.

in perspective, $6 billion dollars is not a lot of money. Hell, 'makepovertyhistory' couldnt improve african peoples lives with 60 billion pounds! I heard somebody say that its more likely that aliens will fly down and land on the loch ness monsters head than the world will end because of the LHC. Finally, i believe that the LHC is one of the greatest undertakings of modern science, and it shows the fantastic ability of humans to work towards a goal. if i remember right, 5000 scientists, and 23 different countries (not including companies) have put effort into this, and thousands more have theorised about it. at any rate, its exciting stuff.

 

[hawkmp4]

Yeah, not to make a political statement or anything, but compare $6 billion euros for this facility and its upkeep to your country's defense spending and research budget.

 

[JBCM627]

However I think the money would be better spent developing a faster computer. Once we have a computer faster than a human brain, experiments will become pointless, the computer can solve all our problems!

Well but see, there will probably need to be quite a bit of research done in quantum mechanics and similar fields before we can significantly improve computers. How else are we going to cram more data and compute more efficiently in a small space?

On a similar note, ever heard of quantum dots? Check out the apps and the "see also" section. There are some quite interesting potential technologies.

EDIT: BTW, i'm doing a university paper on this stuff, just so you know.

I'd be curious to read this.

Yeah, not to make a political statement or anything, but compare $6 billion euros for this facility and its upkeep to your country's defense spending and research budget.

By "your country's", that means look at the US's. Its only a few orders of magnitude larger.

 

[toast]

Of course the LHC hasn't killed us.
Thats not until 2012.

That's true.(;

 

[hawkmp4]

Yeah, not to make a political statement or anything, but compare $6 billion euros for this facility and its upkeep to your country's defense spending and research budget.

By "your country's", that means look at the US's. Its only a few orders of magnitude larger.

That's correct, I won't deny it...I abhor it.
On that note, The UK's defense spending for 2008 is at 34 billion pounds, the US is at 626 billion dollars.
Disgusting, no?

 

[Dene]

That doesn't make you right, necessarily.
Sure, a computer will be able to do something humans can't because it can calculate things much faster than humans. But what will it calculate? Where are the algorithms it runs through going to come from?
No matter how quickly a computer can analyze data, its going to need data to analyze and if the boundaries of knowledge are going to be pushed, experiments will need to be done.

What I mean is: artificial intelligence. A computer that is infinitely smart should be able to work out the problems as of itself. I see no reason why that couldn't be the case. A smart computer designs an even smarter computer and so on until it is the ultimate in intelligent.

EDIT: BTW, i'm doing a university paper on this stuff, just so you know.

I'd be curious to read this.

Hmm. Sorry, there has been a misunderstanding. Over here we call courses "papers". What you call a "paper" we just call an assignment or an essay.

 

[Erik]

Hmm, computers are just faster, not smarter. Computers can't think...
You just say, they do (FAST).

 

[Dene]

Well, yes that is the big debate, could a computer be conscious? Most modern philosophers think it could. I also think it could, but possibly using a different perspective. I think a computer that learns a language just as a human does (this could be easily implemented) would attain consciousness as a side-effect of it.

It is actually amazing how simply the human brain can be broken down to processes easily replicable in a computer system. It would all be the same thing: electrical impulses.

 

[StachuK1992]

Yeah, not to make a political statement or anything, but compare $6 billion euros for this facility and its upkeep to your country's defense spending and research budget.

By "your country's", that means look at the US's. Its only a few orders of magnitude larger.

That's correct, I won't deny it...I abhor it.
On that note, The UK's defense spending for 2008 is at 34 billion pounds, the US is at 626 billion dollars.
Disgusting, no?

626/34 == about 18
sure, we're not THAT much bigger than you, but we are a good bit bigger

I do agree, however; we spend too much on defense spending...

 

[Erik]

Well, yes that is the big debate, could a computer be conscious? Most modern philosophers think it could. I also think it could, but possibly using a different perspective. I think a computer that learns a language just as a human does (this could be easily implemented) would attain consciousness as a side-effect of it.

It is actually amazing how simply the human brain can be broken down to processes easily replicable in a computer system. It would all be the same thing: electrical impulses.

It would first require a total breakdown of how the brains work. Something that is far from acomplished nowadays. I think that once we found out the magic in the brains we could possibly make a similair construction in computers, although I doubt that this is a wanted thing to happen. You would at least have to outsmart them with some self-destruct stuff or they might make an army

 

[Johannes91]

I think a computer that learns a language just as a human does (this could be easily implemented)

[citation needed]

The UK's defense spending for 2008 is at 34 billion pounds, the US is at 626 billion dollars.

626/34 == about 18

pound /= dollar

 

[Karthik]

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Ha ha. Too good. +1