Kattenvriendin from The Netherlands

[MarcelP]

I have long algorithms that I can execute in a flash

I have noticed that learning OLL's first slowed me down since I was pretty fast at two look OLL. But some OLL's are more than 2 looks. For example the dot cases:

Would you please time this Ao12? I want to know how fast you do your last layer:

Spoiler

1.F' L' U' L U F U B2 L2 B R2 B' L2 B R2 B
2.L' B2 L B2 R2 B2 L U2 L' U' B2 U' R2 B2 U R'
3.F2 U2 R2 B D2 R2 F' L2 U2 F2 R B' L B' L R' F U'
4.U2 B2 L2 F' D2 B' L2 F U2 B' F L' B' R2 B L U2 F'
5.R' F' R U R' F R F2 U F2 R2 U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2
6.F L2 R2 F2 U2 F R2 B U2 F D F' D B2 R2 U' B
7.R U2 L D2 L' U2 L D2 L' B2 L' B' L B' R' U
8.U' L2 U' B2 D2 L2 U R2 B2 U B2 F' D U R F' U' F' R
9.U2 B2 L D2 L' B2 U2 B2 R F2 R' B' L U L' U' B' U'
10.F' B L F R B2 R' B U' B2 L2 B2 U2 L2 U B2 L2 U'
11.D F2 U' B2 U' F2 U B2 D R2 D2 R F R2 F' R'
12.U2 F2 D R2 D' R2 U R2 U' R2 F' U R' F R F' U' F'

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Dots I always do the same. No matter the orientation, for me it's two steps.

OK I will time it but no guarantees on good times though.. it's been up and down all day.

Just the scrambles is easier by the way (without numbers) to import in prisma


Solve 5 & 7 & 11 got confused half way through lol I am used to having the rhythm of the solve before it lol

Spoiler

1. 10.23 F' L' U' L U F U B2 L2 B R2 B' L2 B R2 B
2. 10.99 L' B2 L B2 R2 B2 L U2 L' U' B2 U' R2 B2 U R'
3. 15.21 F2 U2 R2 B D2 R2 F' L2 U2 F2 R B' L B' L R' F U'
4. 12.84 U2 B2 L2 F' D2 B' L2 F U2 B' F L' B' R2 B L U2 F'
5. 12.98 R' F' R U R' F R F2 U F2 R2 U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2
6. 10.79 F L2 R2 F2 U2 F R2 B U2 F D F' D B2 R2 U' B
7. 11.40 R U2 L D2 L' U2 L D2 L' B2 L' B' L B' R' U
8. 15.59 U' L2 U' B2 D2 L2 U R2 B2 U B2 F' D U R F' U' F' R
9. 9.06 U2 B2 L D2 L' B2 U2 B2 R F2 R' B' L U L' U' B' U'
10. 14.87 F' B L F R B2 R' B U' B2 L2 B2 U2 L2 U B2 L2 U'
11. 14.76 D F2 U' B2 U' F2 U B2 D R2 D2 R F R2 F' R'
12. 13.36 U2 F2 D R2 D' R2 U R2 U' R2 F' U R' F R F' U' F'

 

[MarcelP]

Ok, so what was the average? I am guessing around 12 seconds.

These scrambles where from the substep competition nr 20. These where my results:

LL 2H : 7.28 6.95 (5.32) 7.00 (9.28) 6.65 8.10 8.78 6.31 7.34 7.40 7.20 = 7.30

And I am the biggest looser there.. Always finishing last.. anyway, I think you are a faster turner than me. But I just took the time to learn these freaking OLL's and PLL's.. I think after monday you can gain the most speed in your averages by learning all the PLL's first. OLL's will take a while and will not make you a lot faster. So you can do these as last.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Yup.. I was working on the PLLs before this comp came up. I stopped learning them since I tend to mess them up otherwise, so after this comp I can pick up where I left off.

Mean: 12.67
Average: 12.74
Best time: 9.06
Median: 12.91
Worst time: 15.59
Standard deviation: 2.08

Best average of 5: 11.72
5-9 - 12.98 10.79 11.40 (15.59) (9.06)

Best average of 12: 12.74
1-12 - 10.23 10.99 15.21 12.84 12.98 10.79 11.40 (15.59) (9.06) 14.87 14.76 13.36


I found out now that I really hate these last cases only things. Bah.

I roll better after a full solve

 

[MarcelP]

Ah, you just have to get used to it I clearly remember when you did not like big timed sessions. LOL, you are doing more solves than me the last few weeks.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Yup.. but doing full solves is so much more satisfying!

This feels like pinching off halfway through a p*ss *laughs*

 

[MarcelP]

LOL, never heard that one before.

 

[Schmidt]

Spoiler: Sub-step scrambles

Generated By csTimer(www.cstimer.net) on 2013-3-30
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 3.99
worst: 7.20

mean of 3
current: 5.73 (σ = 0.83)
best: 4.77 (σ = 0.84)

avg of 5
current: 5.73 (σ = 0.83)
best: 4.46 (σ = 0.35)

avg of 12
current: 5.59 (σ = 0.93)
best: 5.59 (σ = 0.93)

Average: 5.59 (σ = 0.93)
Mean: 5.59

Time List:
6.50, 7.20, 5.21, 5.73, 5.72, 4.09, 4.50, 6.97, 3.99, 4.78, 6.18, 6.24

Time Dist.
3+: 1
4+: 3
5+: 3
6+: 4
7+: 1

I was holding the cube while starting the timer so I guess the avg. is DNF

 

[sneaklyfox]

I found out now that I really hate these last cases only things. Bah.

I roll better after a full solve

I roll better after a full solve too. Occasionally when given a LL scramble and I have inspection time, I somehow forget how to solve the OLL. It's rather infrequent but I don't think it happens during a full solve. I have no idea why this is.

 

[kunparekh18]

You can easily avoid dot cases with partial edge control, I never (not almost never, but never) get dot cases now. It'll help you save 1 look off your OLL. Or you could learn the 8 dot-OLL case algorithms.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I am not learning the dot algorithms.. it is hard enough learning the PLLs. Had I been here like.. some 15 odd years ago it wouldn't have been a problem but I have to be selective

 

[kunparekh18]

I am not learning the dot algorithms.. it is hard enough learning the PLLs. Had I been here like.. some 15 odd years ago it wouldn't have been a problem but I have to be selective

Hmm... Yeah. Just sledgehammer/hedgeslammer for the last F2L pair then.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I don't use that either lol
I'll just fiddle along on my plan I laid out earlier.


Today is birthday of a nephew, bringing megaminx, truncated pyraminx and 3x3x2 this time for him to play with. I wonder what cube he got for his b-day from his 'rents.

Ah note to self: bring lube LOL

 

[mark49152]

I am not learning the dot algorithms.. it is hard enough learning the PLLs. Had I been here like.. some 15 odd years ago it wouldn't have been a problem but I have to be selective

I compiled a big table of all the OLL cases, listed which OCLL cases come up when doing each one by two look, and worked out the move count saving for each full OLL. That's what I'm using to determine my OLL learning order. Some save 10-12 moves over 2-look, others only save 4-5 moves. Some cases work just fine with 2-look because EO leads straight to an easy OCLL with no AUF.

The dots are among those that offer the best move savings, as well as leaving you with a longer solve if you don't know the shortcut. I don't like to rely on PEC as my F2L is slow enough already, without giving myself more to think about during the last slot!

 

[kunparekh18]

I compiled a big table of all the OLL cases, listed which OCLL cases come up when doing each one by two look, and worked out the move count saving for each full OLL. That's what I'm using to determine my OLL learning order. Some save 10-12 moves over 2-look, others only save 4-5 moves. Some cases work just fine with 2-look because EO leads straight to an easy OCLL with no AUF.

The dots are among those that offer the best move savings, as well as leaving you with a longer solve if you don't know the shortcut. I don't like to rely on PEC as my F2L is slow enough already, without giving myself more to think about during the last slot!

Could you please share that table with us?

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I learn them on the order most encountered. That is why I learned the E-perm for one. Even if there is nothing else I can do that I know of I can do an E perm which instantly sets me up for three edge rotation or in lucky cases skips.

 

[mark49152]

I learn them on the order most encountered.

Nearly all OLLs have the same probability, 1/54. Unless you're influencing cases somehow? Agreed that the handful that are 1/108 or 1/216 are less useful to learn.

 

[kunparekh18]

Nearly all OLLs have the same probability, 1/54. Unless you're influencing cases somehow? Agreed that the handful that are 1/108 or 1/216 are less useful to learn.

Yeah, even though the probabilities are the same, I always get the F U R U' R' F' case after F2L instead of the F R U R' U' F' case

 

[mark49152]

Could you please share that table with us?

Sure, it's a work in progress but I will share when done!

 

[mark49152]

Yeah, even though the probabilities are the same, I always get the F U R U' R' F' case after F2L instead of the F R U R' U' F' case

If you're talking about EO cases for 2-look, that's because there are more L cases than bar cases. 27 versus 15, if I counted right.