[Member Intro] Jack

[Royal]

Hi all,

Jack, Scottish, old.
My average is around 35 seconds.

Joined because I basically don't know anybody that's interested in speedsolving and would love to pick some brains.

Currently I'm using CFOP ish, with 2 look OLL and PLL. I'm pretty used to that method now, and am ready to learn the next step. Is it worth learning full PLL first since there are less algorithms, or should I take OLL first in steps?

Also, I'm not solving very fast atm so am open to changing methods. Reading the thread about methods for beginners I noticed lots of members saying they wished they had started on Roux. That was 2009 though, do people still feel that way?

Thirdly, how important is colour neutrality? I may be slow but I've practiced a few simple methods a lot, so am pretty set in my ways, and flummoxed when it comes to changing from the white cross. Would dual neutrality be a compromise (Much more easily achievable for me)? Or does it really just depend on how quick my cross is anyway?

Thanks,

Jack :tu

 

[TDM]

Hi! There are a few other Scottish cubers on here, though the person called scottishcuber actually lives in England...

To answer your first question, yes, most people learn PLL before OLL. Learning full PLL will help your times much more than OLL will. People who don't know full OLL have had sub-10 averages.

There are quite a few people who have recently said the same thing about Roux. Roux is a fast method and is becoming more and more popular. Definitely learn it at least. You don't have to switch to it if you don't want to, but it's useful to know other methods!

The importance of colour neutrality depends on your method. With CFOP, dual colour neutrality should be much more achievable than full CN, and you should try switching to that first. Full CN is better, but harder to switch to, so you should try being able to solve on white and yellow at first.
With Roux, very few people are fully CN. Most fast people have two colours they could have on the D layer (usually white and yellow) and can solve with any colours on L/R.
If you ever learn ZZ, another method, it's best to use one of two orientations. There's not much need for any more than that.

 

[cashis]

Firstly, most of the time people learn full PLL first. However, if you do this, you'll be tempted to not learn full OLL, when it really isnt that difficult. I'd say to learn PLL first, but don't put off OLL.
Secondly, youre at a point where you have the option to change methods. Yes, many people still feel they wish they chose Roux, or ZZ, but thats up to personal preference. I am an 11 second solver, and I still mess around with other methods. You should definitely experiment with other methods and give them a chance. You might like them more, or maybe you'll stick with CFOP. Generally, once you learn OLL, you've sealed yourself into CFOP, but I dont think its ever too late to switch.
Thirdly, yes. I'm color neutral, and its totally worth the month or so it takes to get used to it. However, if you're set in your ways that much, I think that dual neutrality is a decent compromise, but I definitely, definitely think you should at least try for full.
Anyway, aside from your questions, welcome to the forum, Jack!

 

[TDM]

Generally, once you learn OLL, you've sealed yourself into CFOP

this is very wrong.

I know CMLL but not full OLL. Does that mean I've "sealed myself" into Roux? I'm actually still faster with CFOP. Learning a few algs doesn't mean you need to keep using that method as your main method.

 

[cashis]

this is very wrong.

I know CMLL but not full OLL. Does that mean I've "sealed myself" into Roux? I'm actually still faster with CFOP. Learning a few algs doesn't mean you need to keep using that method as your main method.

ok ;(
I think if you've learned that many OLLs its worth it to stick with CFOP.
I know full CMLL too, but I dont even practice Roux.
tdm's right tho

 

[PyjamaL1ama]

I'm colour neutral, it's brilliant

 

[Ross The Boss]

ok ;(
I think if you've learned that many OLLs its worth it to stick with CFOP.
I know full CMLL too, but I dont even practice Roux.
tdm's right tho

this is for both you and OP, but once youve been cubing for a while (i assume youve only been cubing since like, mid 2014 because of your join date) you get really good at learning algorithms. mainly because you get used to recognizing consistent themes among their execution, but also because you get good at picking out algs that are easy for you to both remember and execute from sheets. just look at beasts like kirjava and robert yau and jabari nuruddin.

 

[cashis]

this is for both you and OP, but once youve been cubing for a while (i assume youve only been cubing since like, mid 2014 because of your join date) you get really good at learning algorithms. mainly because you get used to recognizing consistent themes among their execution, but also because you get good at picking out algs that are easy for you to both remember and execute from sheets. just look at beasts like kirjava and robert yau and jabari nuruddin.

Ive been around a bit longer, but yeah I think I'm getting to that point. Algs are kinda easy at this point.

To the OP, dont let our arguing confuse you just try out different methods and ignore what I said about OLL

 

[KeystoneCubing]

Welcome to speedsolving forums! I hope you enjoy it here and make plenty of friends ;D

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

Jack, Scottish, old.

Welcome to the forums, say hi to Victor for me.