Is the war in Iraq really over?

number1failure

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I sure hope it is. There have been several news stories on this topic, as well as Obama's speech about it. What are your views on this?
 
the terrorists will probably move back in, take over parts we are trying to control, but since the combat troops aren't there anymore, they will probably kill more Americans. That or it really is over.
 
It's not even a war anymore. The higher-ups in America believe that it's somehow the responsibility of our country (as a superpower, I suppose?) to turn Iraq into a nice happy developed country complete with a democratic government, competent police, and so on. We're trying to help and epic failing at it. Unfortunately the people in that country really don't want us to be there (and I can understand that!) so we of course have to keep a whole bunch of highly trained army dudes to make sure we don't get completely slaughtered. And then you end up with plenty of civilian casualties. It's a lose-lose situation, really, and it'd be really nice if we could just give up and let them develop on their own.
 
It's not even a war anymore. The higher-ups in America believe that it's somehow the responsibility of our country (as a superpower, I suppose?) to turn Iraq into a nice happy developed country complete with a democratic government, competent police, and so on. We're trying to help and epic failing at it. Unfortunately the people in that country really don't want us to be there (and I can understand that!) so we of course have to keep a whole bunch of highly trained army dudes to make sure we don't get completely slaughtered. And then you end up with plenty of civilian casualties. It's a lose-lose situation, really, and it'd be really nice if we could just give up and let them develop on their own.

:tu
 
the terrorists will probably move back in, take over parts we are trying to control, but since the combat troops aren't there anymore, they will probably kill more Americans. That or it really is over.
They weren't there before the US invaded, and they've never gone away since the invasion.
 
It's not even a war anymore. The higher-ups in America believe that it's somehow the responsibility of our country (as a superpower, I suppose?) to turn Iraq into a nice happy developed country complete with a democratic government, competent police, and so on. We're trying to help and epic failing at it. Unfortunately the people in that country really don't want us to be there (and I can understand that!) so we of course have to keep a whole bunch of highly trained army dudes to make sure we don't get completely slaughtered. And then you end up with plenty of civilian casualties. It's a lose-lose situation, really, and it'd be really nice if we could just give up and let them develop on their own.

This is the exact same view I have.
:tu
 
It's not even a war anymore. The higher-ups in America believe that it's somehow the responsibility of our country (as a superpower, I suppose?) to turn Iraq into a nice happy developed country complete with a democratic government, competent police, and so on. We're trying to help and epic failing at it. Unfortunately the people in that country really don't want us to be there (and I can understand that!) so we of course have to keep a whole bunch of highly trained army dudes to make sure we don't get completely slaughtered. And then you end up with plenty of civilian casualties. It's a lose-lose situation, really, and it'd be really nice if we could just give up and let them develop on their own.

This is the exact same view I have.
:tu

I guess so.. but you need to ignore the moral issue about the US igniting the current situation by invading Irak "looking for wmd".
 
I still don't understand how America became such a super power when we really do a bunch of stupid stuff.

Lots of natural resources and a gonna-get-what-I-want attitude (that's a compliment btw, not a condescending statement).
 
I still don't understand how America became such a super power when we really do a bunch of stupid stuff.

Lots of natural resources and a gonna-get-what-I-want attitude (that's a compliment btw, not a condescending statement).
Some people would say it was a compliment. Lots wouldn't, though. Particularly the people who had the stuff the US wanted.
 
I still don't understand how America became such a super power when we really do a bunch of stupid stuff.

Lots of natural resources and a gonna-get-what-I-want attitude (that's a compliment btw, not a condescending statement).

I would still want to move to Canada.

Well, I'm in Canada, and I guess the international reputation is better than that of US these days; we have all these labels like peacekeepers and great health system. But it's a system that is far from perfect. In my opinion, there could be a few more elements of capitalism. Too much equality leads to lack of motivation.
 
I still don't understand how America became such a super power when we really do a bunch of stupid stuff.

Lots of natural resources and a gonna-get-what-I-want attitude (that's a compliment btw, not a condescending statement).

I would still want to move to Canada.

Well, I'm in Canada, and I guess the international reputation is better than that of US these days; we have all these labels like peacekeepers and great health system. But it's a system that is far from perfect. In my opinion, there could be a few more elements of capitalism. Too much equality leads to lack of motivation.

Oh no! Too much equality! Watch out!
 
Oh no! Too much equality! Watch out!

If you're got a point to make, sarcasm on its own won't convince anyone. All I'm saying is that equality is great but it is unfair to those who work harder (and subsequently earn more) to have so few options for greater rewards. For example, universal health care is a good concept, but why is there next to no option for those who don't want to wait for 5 months for an MRI?
Ugh, I just realized how off-topic this is, sorry to OP.
 
Oh no! Too much equality! Watch out!

If you're got a point to make, sarcasm on its own won't convince anyone. All I'm saying is that equality is great but it is unfair to those who work harder (and subsequently earn more) to have so few options for greater rewards. For example, universal health care is a good concept, but why is there next to no option for those who don't want to wait for 5 months for an MRI?
Ugh, I just realized how off-topic this is, sorry to OP.

You're assuming that people who work hard earn more. Poor people aren't poor because they're lazy. And how can you have 'too much equality'? Are you implying that people aren't equal and don't deserve to be treated as equals?
 
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