Is my BLD method freestyle?

[Mike Hughey]

About doing 40 cubes multi... Remember you have to memorize those cubes too. 40 cubes is like memorizing a 800 digit number...

For me it's only 40 storybooks (with 400 characters doing 400 things ).

Each cube requires approximately 20 pieces of information with 24 possibilities per piece. So your 800 digit number is 800 digits in base 24.

Consider hour cards. The world record is 1404 cards by Ben Pridmore, and that's with 52 possibilities per card. So if you can be as efficient memorizing cubes as you can be memorizing cards (and I don't see why it shouldn't be possible), then if you were Ben Pridmore you should be able to memorize 40 cubes in about 34 minutes. That should leave enough time for someone like Hai Yan to solve them all. (I wouldn't have a chance, though. )

 

[deadalnix]

With a dual letter table, you can memorise with a 24² base easily with some practice.

I think with much more practice, you can handle 24³ item table (You have to memorise it once, and then you can use it all the time). I sounds like an huge task, be doable.

 

[KJiptner]

Each cube requires approximately 20 pieces of information with 24 possibilities per piece. So your 800 digit number is 800 digits in base 24.

That somewhat implies, using a 24^2 system is slower than the 10^2 system that is standard for memory athletes who memorize numbers. I think that both equal in speed with practice.
What I don't think though is that you can memorize a cube at the same pace as a series of numbers or a deck of cards. The reason is that memorizing a cube requires you to search pieces when having new cycles and flipped things in place. Cards are always a row (even though you have to physically shift them, that's slower than looking at diffrent sides of the cube).

 

[cmhardw]

Consider hour cards. The world record is 1404 cards by Ben Pridmore, and that's with 52 possibilities per card. So if you can be as efficient memorizing cubes as you can be memorizing cards (and I don't see why it shouldn't be possible), then if you were Ben Pridmore you should be able to memorize 40 cubes in about 34 minutes. That should leave enough time for someone like Hai Yan to solve them all. (I wouldn't have a chance, though. )

Yes, but if I remember correctly they have something like 10 minutes of recall allowed after memorizing (which does not effect their memorization time). We don't have that luxury. I do think the Multi BLD limits are very high, but 40 also seems very high to me. Perhaps sup-30? I'm guessing here, but consider that memorizing so break neck fast will slow down recall a bit.

Chris

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

40 is the limiation. Maybe 30+ is not difficult someday. I saw a person use 4 seconds to memory 52 pice of playing cards. I mean 4 seconds.He is the king of gamble in china. His speed is faster than the playing cards WR 24+s. I do not know how can he do that.He said he use image.I want pay a visit to him next month.I need to make sure he do not cheat me.He is a famous person in china. Many people know him.He is my friend.When I meet him 3 days ago ,I am not aware of he use memory method to remember the playing card.I think it is the skill of gamble .But when I talk with him and want to lean how to cheat others by using skill of gamble ,he said he realy remember all the playing card in 4 seconds.He do not cheat anybody. He realy know all the secpuence of the card.It is inconceivable.
I realy want to lean some method about memory from him. If he realy do not cheat me. Then ....................................

 

[Mike Hughey]

4 seconds to memorize 52 cards would require some sort of "speed memory" or "flash memory" - you couldn't possibly process the 52 cards in some meaningful form that fast. What that means is that (kind of like Chris is saying with the hour cards, but on a bigger scale) you would need to process what you had memorized in those 4 seconds for a while (probably a minute or more) just to commit them to long-term memory. So I don't think this is a particularly useful skill for doing big BLD attempts, if it is even for real.

I'm not saying it is for real - I think it sounds very hard to believe - but it does seem like 4 seconds for 52 cards might be possible as a sort of "speed-flash" memorization, but again it wouldn't be possible to memorize a bunch of decks that fast, I think.

And Chris, I see your point, and I forgot about the time between memorization and recall - I agree that could help. So maybe 35 cubes would be more achievable.

Oh, and you say that break-neck memorization would slow down recall, but then how do you explain Ville's amazing big cube BLD times?

I still must admit that I wouldn't be surprised if someone managed a monster amazing 40 cube solve someday, though. It's so often true that these things are more attainable than you think they are - 40 still seems like a good guess for the absolute limit to me.

 

[Anthony]

Oh, and you say that break-neck memorization would slow down recall, but then how do you explain Ville's amazing big cube BLD times?

Ville's quick memo is pretty incredible, but a 40 cube multibld is still much more to memo than one big cube BLD solve..

 

[cmhardw]

Oh, and you say that break-neck memorization would slow down recall, but then how do you explain Ville's amazing big cube BLD times?

Who's to say Ville couldn't memorize twice or three times as fast if he were allowed 10 minutes to recall the cube state (not solve it)? That's more what I mean.

Chris

 

[DavidWoner]

Oh, and you say that break-neck memorization would slow down recall, but then how do you explain Ville's amazing big cube BLD times?

Who's to say Ville couldn't memorize twice or three times as fast if he were allowed 10 minutes to recall the cube state (not solve it)? That's more what I mean.

Chris

Ville is a robot. I have stated this many times and he has not denied it. I have no choice but to accept it as truth.

 

[Sakarie]

I can't even understand how he can see all the cards in four seconds? How do he even shift them so fast?

Remember that even if a cuber doesn't have a special time to recall the memorization, you can still use the time when you solve your first two/three/four letters (or whatever you use), to recall the next four.

 

[yoruichi]

use a card fan to seem them all at once

 

[Stefan]

Consider hour cards. The world record is 1404 cards by Ben Pridmore, and that's with 52 possibilities per card.

Yes, but if I remember correctly they have something like 10 minutes of recall allowed after memorizing (which does not effect their memorization time). We don't have that luxury.

It's 120 minutes and you probably mean the 15 minutes between memorizing and recall to allow for the collection of the packs of cards, not for helping them with their memory. I think it's more likely a disadvantage, having to wait without being able to write.

I saw a person use 4 seconds to memory 52 pice of playing cards.

Video or it didn't happen (I do trust you, but not him).

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

I think maybe he use magic cheat me.So I want see him again.I will by playing cards myself.

 

[yoruichi]

yes there are marked decks which are easy to tell what the card is from the back

 

[dbf]

Lol. I'm a magician and what he does is a great magic trick. But require practice, it's not simple that you think. I shuffle the deck, you cut the deck and i know the order of every single card. not a marked deck, just a very good trick

Anyway i'm praticing BLD for introduce in my show. Very good forum