Interesting new way to do the first two layers.

[kprox1994]

As I was solving my cube today, I was thinking. What if I solved the F2L pairs first, and then inserted the cross pieces by doing M slices? I timed myself a few times, and my times were quite a bit slower. I don't know how efficient this would be with lots of practice, but it seems like it would (at least for me) make more use of inspection time by finding pairs instead of planning out your cross. Even if this is not very efficient, it sure is fun to do!

 

[qqwref]

This isn't new, but it's definitely interesting. The biggest problem is that you need to either use both M and S, or some y rotations, which is a lot slower than pure <M,U> stuff.

I've gotten a sub-16 average with a method that starts by solving the four F2L pairs, by the way. (Specifically, this one: http://mzrg.com/rubik/methods/col3/)

 

[5BLD]

Hm... Well the problem is you get awkward cases where the f2l edge is in the cross place, so you will basically resort M and S slice pairing, also making the cross with Ms and Ss is inefficient.
Interesting idea, though.
If you like mooing, though, you should switch to roux

 

[irontwig]

This isn't new, but it's definitely interesting. The biggest problem is that you need to either use both M and S, or some y rotations, which is a lot slower than pure <M,U> stuff.

I've gotten a sub-16 average with a method that starts by solving the four F2L pairs, by the way. (Specifically, this one: http://mzrg.com/rubik/methods/col3/)

Basically Kenneth's method; only difference is that he always ends with EPLL instead of PLL:
http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/PCMS

 

[kprox1994]

This isn't new, but it's definitely interesting. The biggest problem is that you need to either use both M and S, or some y rotations, which is a lot slower than pure <M,U> stuff.

Hmm, didn't know about that method. It sure is slower, but I'm guessing you would get used to it even though it might not be as fast as Fridrich.

I've gotten a sub-16 average with a method that starts by solving the four F2L pairs, by the way. (Specifically, this one: http://mzrg.com/rubik/methods/col3/)

Hm... Well the problem is you get awkward cases where the f2l edge is in the cross place, also making the cross with Ms and Ss is inefficient.
If you like mooing, though, you should switch to roux

True, that's the worst part, but I assume you would get used to looking down there and it would become less awkward but still awkward I just thought it was interesting.

I've thought about switching to Roux, especially since the fastest Roux solver goes to my school. I like M slices, but I can't get a hold of block building.

 

[5BLD]

Biggreen goes to your school!? That must be pretty awesome.
Oh btw, I'll actually give it a go today...

 

[teller]

It's the right kind of thinking, to explore.

 

[MichaelP.]

I'm curious to see what kind of F2L shortcuts you can take advantage of when you don't have to worry about the cross.

 

[5BLD]

Yeah, that's the thing about roux. You can pair up pieces with the M slice and use rs(not Rs) to insert pairs.

 

[24653483361]

This isn't new, but it's definitely interesting. The biggest problem is that you need to either use both M and S, or some y rotations, which is a lot slower than pure <M,U> stuff.

I've gotten a sub-16 average with a method that starts by solving the four F2L pairs, by the way. (Specifically, this one: http://mzrg.com/rubik/methods/col3/)

I've tried the same method, and when i solved with it what would throw me off would a corresponding corners edge being on the D layer. I was able to average around 1 minute with the method and with CFOP i'd average around 30 seconds.

 

[cubeslayer]

If you like mooing, though, you should switch to roux

Would you clarify what mooing is? I assume it is using m slices, but I am not certain.

 

[Brest]

Would you clarify what mooing is? I assume it is using m slices, but I am not certain.

M & U = mooing. Term most commonly used to describe the last step of the Roux method L6E.

 

[Jungleterrain]

CFOP: I've known/ been doing this for a while. It feels cool doing M slices (not S's), but I'd rather get rid of the cross step as soon as possible so i can resort to F2L with mostly 2-gen moves. Then you're caught in a fast rhythm for OLL and then PLL.

 

[5BLD]

Yeah, but in roux, due to the free m slice, you rarely need cube rotations and have lots of short cuts. Even the corners are solved efficiently cuz of that free m slice. And then mooing don't take that long.
And yes, mooing is MUing

 

[Kirjava]

M & U = mooing. Term most commonly used to describe the last step of the Roux method L6E.

Not really, the 'mooing' stuff is a recent thing. People just refer to it as LSE normally.

 

[ben1996123]

[wiki]PCMS[/wiki]