If Fridrich wasn't invented, what do you think the WR time would be?

[Zhanchi1]

i know you might have already seen my 'if fridrich wanst invented, what method would you use?' thread, but this is different

 

[Ickenicke]

5.12 I guess.

People would have used Roux and Roux is faster

 

[blakedacuber]

No offence but personally i think thats a stupid question its next to impossible to predict

 

[ben1996123]

2e seconds

 

[ThomasJE]

5.12 I guess.

People would have used Roux and Roux is faster

If Roux is faster, why do a lot of us use CFOP?

Probably 5-10 secs. The record time would be slower than 5.66, and 5BLD (to name one) is Roux sub-10.

 

[Ickenicke]

If Roux is faster, why do a lot of us use CFOP?

Probably 5-10 secs. The record time would be slower than 5.66, and 5BLD (to name one) is Roux sub-10.

CFOP is so easy to learn.

Also, if CFOP wasn't invented, more people would have used Roux and time with Roux would have been faster.

 

[stricgoogle]

CFOP is so easy to learn.

Yeah, almost 80 algorithms and many more that the fastest people know are easy to learn.
Also, I don't think that matters when it comes to world record times, since people would just learn the fastest method, not the easiest one.

 

[Ninja Storm]

I'd assume Roux?

 

[Kirjava]

Yeah, almost 80 algorithms and many more that the fastest people know are easy to learn.

Comparatively easy for an advanced method due to the large amount of documentation.

Also, I don't think that matters when it comes to world record times, since people would just learn the fastest method, not the easiest one.

"people" do not know what the fastest method is.

 

[MWilson]

Yeah, almost 80 algorithms and many more that the fastest people know are easy to learn.
Also, I don't think that matters when it comes to world record times, since people would just learn the fastest method, not the easiest one.

But learning 80 algorithms is easy. It's not quick, but it is just a matter of sticking with it and putting the time in. OLL PLL is like paying your CFOP "dues" if you want to finish the solve. The only hard part is not getting bored, discouraged, or overwhelmed, which are personal issues and not difficulty from within the method.

Block building methods are more difficult to start with, because you can't just look at your cube, look at the pictures online, and memorize the sequence of moves for that case.

Also, a lot of people only find out about the advanced methods after they learn the usual LBL beginner's method. At first glance, CFOP is just an extension of the beginner's LBL so it's more attractive in that sense as well. I guess it's popularity isn't hurt by it being the method of almost all the top WRs either.

Going from beginner's LBL to CFOP is like taking the training wheels off a bike. Going to Roux is like putting the bike aside and ignoring it, and starting to learn gymnastics instead.

 

[ZincK_NOVA]

Yeah, almost 80 algorithms and many more that the fastest people know are easy to learn.

Learning algs is easier than becoming good at thinking about moves and solving more intuitively; at least, for beginners.

since people would just learn the fastest method, not the easiest one.

People also like what they are familiar with, hence they stick to methods similar to what they already know (ie: beginner LBL tends to transition into "proper" CFOP better than other methods. I'm under the impression that most solvers started with some kind of LBL method).

Also, what's the fastest method? In my head, it'd be the one with the least number of steps and/or turns- God's algorithm if you're... God- or maybe something with ZBLL. I'm not sure how many people know full ZBLL, let alone use ZBLL for speedsolving; I was told once that "only about two people know it and they don't bother using it for speed".
So this isn't the most reliable source, but my point is that ZBLL is hardly common, but theoretically the fastest Last-layer approach (unless I have been living in a cave and actually everybody knows it apart from me).

EDIT: Dominate addressed most of what I've said better, guess I got ninja'd?

 

[5BLD]

Over 15 secs definitely, as if we were not clever enough to even come up with such a simple/obvious way to go like CFOP then we might not think of other methods.

If Roux is faster, why do a lot of us use CFOP?

Good point, because methods have speeds.
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Nah, it's because CFOP is a smart/obvious step ahead from LBL and is efficient enough to have reasonable speed. Gains popularity => supa fast

 

[Kirjava]

Good point, because methods have speeds.

Look! It's Kirjava.

 

[Dacuba]

I expected the choices 5-6 7-6 up to 9-10 lol
I refuse to vote

 

[Kirjava]

ahaha I only just noticed the poll options - that's hilarious

lern2 minh thai

 

[jla]

Going from beginner's LBL to CFOP is like taking the training wheels off a bike. Going to Roux is like putting the bike aside and ignoring it, and starting to learn gymnastics instead.

Made my day

 

[Andrew Ricci]

2 people deny the existence of WC 1982.

 

[mDiPalma]

i put "45+" because i thought the units were minutes.

 

[BigGreen]

one can only assume that 7.41 would be the world record.

 

[tx789]

What ever was most poplaur. Maybe Corner First, Petrus or Roux.
Who know stuff like ZB and maybe ZZ would exist possibly