Ninja Storm
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I use Hoya for 4x4, but my official results are with Yau D:
Jong-ho is crazy. It is him, Aaron, and yourself that are faster than me in 4x4, and just Jong-ho and Aaron on 5x5. But I do not know for sure, Thats Why I want to figure out the rankings.
I'm not sure about hoya on 5x5. I feel like it is the small benefit of having the cross done at the cost of awkward last two centres and far too many moves. I'm interested to see how fast it will get on 5x5 by someone other than Jeong himself.
I use Hoya for 4x4, but my official results are with Yau D:
You use hoya4?!? Weren't you the one who told me "who uses hoya for 5x5?" at CSP Fall? lol.
When did you switch?
Sali
In general, I think most that you can do now is just practice solves without timing yourself. Just take it easy, "study" the cube, learn what moves do what, get comfortable with pattern recognition.
Merci
I'll try to do that. My problem is that I'm too impatient and when I have time to cube, I like to time myself. But you're right, I definitely should do this.
It's growing on me although I'm still undecided. I like the idea of a structured phase for building cross edges much better than the freeform approach of Yau, where I always seem to do lots of rotations. However, initially I seemed to be using an awful lot of moves to do Hoya, although that's improving with practice. The tips and tricks videos in this thread are really helpful.Yes, I will never go back. I think Hoya is easier.
One trick I started using that seems to make it more efficient for me is to do a pseudo 3x3 cross phase. So after F4C, I put one cross edge piece in its correct position on each side, 3x3 style. No center slices needed so all sides can be turned freely. That's ~6 moves to do half the cross edge work. Then I use the Hoya inserts to go round and finish off.
^This...
Well... almost this. I've been doing that a lot lately. I was even thinking of mentioning it in the 2nd video I made, but figured it could wait. But if I see my cross color, I place it in the D layer immediately.
Also, I don't always do my Cross in exact clockwise of counter clockwise order either. For example: If I have just finished the Green pieces and see both the blues right in from of me, I'll D2 and do blue.
Nilsibert - I was practicing last night and built some edges in the U Layer! It was very exciting. I like how your Rw U Rw' Move for pieces in the U layer works for a LOT of different cases. I'm gonna play around some more and see if I stumble across anything else. If I find anything cool I'll show you on the youtubes.
One trick I started using that seems to make it more efficient for me is to do a pseudo 3x3 cross phase. So after F4C, I put one cross edge piece in its correct position on each side, 3x3 style. No center slices needed so all sides can be turned freely. That's ~6 moves to do half the cross edge work. Then I use the Hoya inserts to go round and finish off.
I find it helps in two main ways. First, it's a much more efficient way of placing the first edge on each side, and the tricks are well known and practised from 3x3. It's actually easier than 3x3 because you usually have two choices for each edge. Secondly, it makes it more fluid to complete the dedges later because you only need one piece to complete each, so lookahead is easier. So if I'm inserting the second white/orange edge and I happen to see the white/red, it's a quick D2 and slam that piece straight in. No need to think about where the second edge is, or whether I can see both pieces for the next dedge.One other note about this... This is a very helpful technique because as you place the pieces you DO see, you might uncover the pieces you didn't. Meanwhile you're still doing something constructive, placing all the pieces you see, rather than just hunting around cube doing nothing.
Yeah I was thinking that on 5x5 I'd place the midges 3x3 style then use Hoya inserts for the wing edges, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm awful and 5x5 and don't practise it much.It's most helpful on 5x5, since there more cross pieces to place and keep track of. But decision making gets a bit tricky because it's that much more likely you'll have cross pieces not-of-the-same-color wind up on the same dedge. Usually I'll just go with whatever I see first, and what would take less work to fix.
One other note about this... This is a very helpful technique because as you place the pieces you DO see, you might uncover the pieces you didn't. Meanwhile you're still doing something constructive, placing all the pieces you see, rather than just hunting around cube doing nothing.
It's most helpful on 5x5, since there more cross pieces to place and keep track of. But decision making gets a bit tricky because it's that much more likely you'll have cross pieces not-of-the-same-color wind up on the same dedge. Usually I'll just go with whatever I see first, and what would take less work to fix.
On 4x4, I have to disagree. I think it's a bad idea to adopt the habit of placing whatever edge piece you find. You miss out on many awesome short ways of pairing/inserting and many times you will actually get yourself a pretty bad case when doing that. Sure, it's really hard to be fast and efficient if you don't do it, because there's more of a chaos and seemingly randomly placed edge pieces. In the end, however, I think it will pay off and the step can be done really fast. It takes much longer to get good at, but it's worth it I'd say.
Yeah I was thinking that on 5x5 I'd place the midges 3x3 style then use Hoya inserts for the wing edges, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm awful and 5x5 and don't practise it much.
When people say Hoya5, is it any different to Hoya for 4x4, like how Yau5 is different from Yau, or is it just the same thing done on a 5x5?
Well I was thinking of something different for 5x5. It kind of went in a circle really, starting with an idea from Hoya, away from it, and then back to Hoya.I don't think I've ever seen a separate set of steps for 5x5 than 4x4
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