[Help Thread] Hoya Discussion

[Clarkeeyyy]

I do green cross, so I do white/yellow or red/orange first, then I do my next two centres depending on what I see.

Been messing around a bit today with pairing in the U layer, it can be really efficient.
Setup - Rw U R U' Rw'
Alg - Rw U R' U' Rw'

 

[Robert-Y]

Aaron pointed this out to me a while ago as well... he seems to do Adjacent Centers.

It doesn't have to be in the order he does it either... can be done semi-color neutral, I suppose. Those first 4 adjacent centers only have to Include the cross color and Exclude the color opposite cross.

I usually do it the LoPrete way: 2 opposite centers, either RO or BG, then white on U face, then whatever color belongs on F. My F4C suck. This is def an area needing a lot of improvement for me.

Oh good. I asked because it seems to me EVERYONE is doing opposite centres first, however it seems Hoya never does this in his examples video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhcCv6MGP4
I think he just tries to solve the first 4 as fast as possible without a set order.

Also I think if you're doing Yau edge pairing to finish edge pairing, that's wrong. Watch the examples carefully. Is anyone even doing it properly?

 

[Chree]

Oh good. I asked because it seems to me EVERYONE is doing opposite centres first, however it seems Hoya never does this in his examples video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhcCv6MGP4
I think he just tries to solve the first 4 as fast as possible without a set order.

Also I think if you're doing Yau edge pairing to finish edge pairing, that's wrong. Watch the examples carefully. Is anyone even doing it properly?

I kinda default to traditional Yau L8E whenever I'm done with the Hoya Cross and L2C. I know on 5x5, Aaron pointed out a distinction between what he does and "traditional Hoya". Perhaps the originator is doing something similar for 4x4.

I think it's just dealer's choice at that point, though.

 

[Nilsibert]

Oh good. I asked because it seems to me EVERYONE is doing opposite centres first, however it seems Hoya never does this in his examples video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhcCv6MGP4
I think he just tries to solve the first 4 as fast as possible without a set order.

Also I think if you're doing Yau edge pairing to finish edge pairing, that's wrong. Watch the examples carefully. Is anyone even doing it properly?

I saw the videos, and I'm planing to try out his method. Btw happy new year!

 

[Chree]

Thanks Chree!

Edit: Awesome trick I discovered: rUr'FrUr'

This is pretty rad... I'd almost rather F2 and do this than my l' (R' F R F') l

Edit: How did I miss my own 100th post?!

PS - Happy New Year!!

 

[Dapianokid]

Chree, your tips and tricks are pretty helpful. You should know that these aren't simple and easy to many people who are still not very fast at 4x4.

 

[Nilsibert]

Ok so I made a video, but I wasn't sure if I should even upload it. Watching it myself, I realize how boring it is to listen to me, so I apologize for that, I'm not really experienced with this sort of thing
Also excuse my english, please.

[youtube]watch?v=TwH9LUnmtCM[/youtube]

 

[Chree]

Great video! Most of the U layer stuff I hadn't really played around with at all, so I learned a lot. I'm gonna have to play around with those more.

And you pronounced it right: like kree. As in Chris. You can just call me Chris, if that's easier.

Favorite part of the video: "... awkward."

And Ian: No problemo. Happy to share

 

[Nilsibert]

Great video! Most of the U layer stuff I hadn't really played around with at all, so I learned a lot. I'm gonna have to play around with those more.

And you pronounced it right: like kree. As in Chris. You can just call me Chris, if that's easier.

Favorite part of the video: "... awkward."

And Ian: No problemo. Happy to share

Thanks! Good to know that it wasn't useless Maybe I will actually make that Hoya/Yau comparison video, and do it better this time, because it's really a fun thing to do.
I don't have a problem with Chree, it's just that I wasn't sure if its pronounced like Kree or something like Jree or Gree or whatever, so I learned something as well.

 

[MarcelP]

I also did a small video a while ago:
[video=youtube_share;rOrsDZWHwZ4]http://youtu.be/rOrsDZWHwZ4[/video]

 

[Gordon]

I'm glad I found this thread because I switched to Hoya a few weeks ago and there was not much to find about Hoya until now. I hope all your tips and videos will help me improve my times.

Currently I'm around 2:30 - 3:00 minutes, but that's also the time it took me with Yau, but Hoya seems simpler for me.

Here's a recent solve: any tips besides turning faster?

 

[MarcelP]

Here's a recent solve: any tips besides turning faster?

Hey mr Bratwurst, that is a nice solve! It took me longer than a week to get my Yau times. So I think Hoya is right for you. One piece of advice I can give you is try to preserve blocks while making the first few centers. I think you broke up your white center for makeingh the blue and green centers. I am not sure, my connection is slow today causing the video's to be shocky

 

[mark49152]

Hey Marcel, have you decided to stick with Hoya, or are you still weighing it up against Yau?

 

[Nilsibert]

I'm glad I found this thread because I switched to Hoya a few weeks ago and there was not much to find about Hoya until now. I hope all your tips and videos will help me improve my times.

Currently I'm around 2:30 - 3:00 minutes, but that's also the time it took me with Yau, but Hoya seems simpler for me.

Here's a recent solve: any tips besides turning faster?

Sali

In general, I think most that you can do now is just practice solves without timing yourself. Just take it easy, "study" the cube, learn what moves do what, get comfortable with pattern recognition. Later you will be able to look ahead in to the next step(for example the next center). I found that look ahead at centers(for example) came automatically the more comfortable I got with it. At least your first center should be planned in inspection, later you can plan the first center and maybe a bar of the second. Really, your centers overall look inefficient, there's much room for improvement.

The big thing in Hoya are the cross edges. It's a very versatile step that can be really efficient if done right. I myself am still studying it, trying to find shortcuts and better ways to form pairs or influence upcoming ones.
I plan on making another video with a few new things I discovered, so you may want to look out for that. Or would a few walkthrough solves help you? I really enjoy doing this stuff, so feel free to ask

For the last edges, you can pretty much adapt from Yau, and watch videos on the subject.

I'm no expert on 4x4 by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it'll help you to watch my video and all the others that are posted on this thread.

 

[MarcelP]

Hey Marcel, have you decided to stick with Hoya, or are you still weighing it up against Yau?

Yes, I will never go back. I think Hoya is easier.

 

[Joey VOV]

Hoya Is growing :')

What I would find very interesting, is to find out the rankings for hoya 4x4 and 5x5. because I Know 3 people I think that have an official average and single faster than myself on 4x4, and on 5x5 I think I know only 2 people with a faster single and average.

Can I also assume that people here are using hoya on 5x5 and not just 4x4? Because 4x4 seems to be the majority of the discussion, it'd be nice to see what everyone thinks of hoya5, and what they go about solving it.

 

[Clarkeeyyy]

Hoya Is growing :')

What I would find very interesting, is to find out the rankings for hoya 4x4 and 5x5. because I Know 3 people I think that have an official average and single faster than myself on 4x4, and on 5x5 I think I know only 2 people with a faster single and average.

Can I also assume that people here are using hoya on 5x5 and not just 4x4? Because 4x4 seems to be the majority of the discussion, it'd be nice to see what everyone thinks of hoya5, and what they go about solving it.

Well Jong-Ho Jeong destroys all our times on 4x4 and 5x5 of course. I think Aaron LoPrete uses hoya, and he is pretty fast at 4x4 and 5x5. It would be really cool to create a ranking though.

 

[Nilsibert]

Hoya Is growing :')

What I would find very interesting, is to find out the rankings for hoya 4x4 and 5x5. because I Know 3 people I think that have an official average and single faster than myself on 4x4, and on 5x5 I think I know only 2 people with a faster single and average.

Can I also assume that people here are using hoya on 5x5 and not just 4x4? Because 4x4 seems to be the majority of the discussion, it'd be nice to see what everyone thinks of hoya5, and what they go about solving it.

I use it, but I don't really seriously practice 5x5. I'm really bad at it in general, but when I solve, I use Hoya. But I'm not experienced enough to say anything about it :/

 

[Joey VOV]

Well Jong-Ho Jeong destroys all our times on 4x4 and 5x5 of course. I think Aaron LoPrete uses hoya, and he is pretty fast at 4x4 and 5x5. It would be really cool to create a ranking though.

Jong-ho is crazy. It is him, Aaron, and yourself that are faster than me in 4x4, and just Jong-ho and Aaron on 5x5. But I do not know for sure, Thats Why I want to figure out the rankings.

 

[Clarkeeyyy]

Jong-ho is crazy. It is him, Aaron, and yourself that are faster than me in 4x4, and just Jong-ho and Aaron on 5x5. But I do not know for sure, Thats Why I want to figure out the rankings.

I'm not sure about hoya on 5x5. I feel like it is the small benefit of having the cross done at the cost of awkward last two centres and far too many moves. I'm interested to see how fast it will get on 5x5 by someone other than Jeong himself.