How would you solve this scramble?

[Lt-UnReaL]

Lt-UnReal: Would you really solve like that at speed? That is amazing, or else just extremely lucky!

The extended cross was lucky, but besides that is how I normally solve

can you also see it when speedsolving?

Yep, that was my speedsolve, got a really nice 13.79 sec on it, too.

 

[pete]

- cross on left
- not using Fridrich pairs

Cross + Edge : (z x') L U' (x) U' F2 L2 B L (7)
Corner + Edge : U' R' U2 R U' (5)
Corner : L' R' U' R U (5)
Edge : (x') R U R' U' (4)
OLLe (Heise) : (x) L2 U' R U F R' F' (7)
Finish F2L : U R' U' L' U R U' (7)
PLLe : R2 U' R2 U R U' R U (8)
OLLc : lucky skip (0)
PLL : (x2 y') R2 D2 R U R' D2 R U' R (9)

Total 52 moves
(F2L + LL cross : 35 moves)

 

[Lucas Garron]

U2 B2 R D L2 B' R' F D' B2 R2 F' D F2 D' L' R2 F' D2 L B F2 D' L' R2

Cross: UL'U2 y' RF2 z2 D'
Slot 1: L'ULURUR'
Slot 2: dRU'R'URU'R'
Slot 3: y'L'U2LU'yLUL'
ELS: L'U2L
CLS: y'U' RUR'URU'R'U2RUR'
PLL: ULU2'L'U2LF'L'U'LUrUL2'

Uh, a typical bad solve...

 

[mrbiggs]

Cross: R' U' B' R F' L F

F2L: U' d' L' U L U R U' R' U F' U F y2 R U R' U' d' L' U L d L' U2 L U' F U F'

eOLL: U R' U' F' U F U' F' U F R U' (this isn't quite how I perform this, I do most of a y' during the Fs so it's all Us and Rs)

cOLL: R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U R U2 R' U2

PLL: U' R' U R U' R2 y' R' U' R U B R B' R' B2

overall a weird combination of Leyan Lo's beginner guide and Macky's Fridrich. The U2 U' is a waste, but it's a habit I'm in with this particular PLL that I haven't been able to drop, same thing with the too-long eOll. Also, my next step is to learn the cOLLs so I don't have to do two or three Sunes.

I speedsolved this trying to get the same F2l but I messed up somewhere so I had a different solution. In any case, the other solution was about the same length and I got 27 seconds, which is not great for me but not bad either. I'll chalk the extra seconds up to worrying about copying the above .

Move count: 81 pretty bad, largely due to my eOLL, which isn't even a good algorithm, and I think that's my longest PLL. It wasn't particularly slow, though.

 

[dChan]

Cross: y F' U' R' F L' B L (7 moves)
1st Slot: U L' U2 L (4 moves)
2nd Slot: U' y L' U L (4 moves)
3rd Slot: U2 R U2 R' U y L' U' L (8 moves)
4th Slot: R U R' U' R U R' (7 moves)
OLL: R' F R F' y U' L' U L (8 moves)
PLL: U' y R' U2 R U R' U2 L U' R U L' (12 moves)
Total: 50 moves

Completely standard Fridrich style. Nothing special I believe.

EDIT: Just for some fun, here are facts about my solve: I thought the cross was going to be over 8 moves for some reason. When I visualized it during inspection it felt like 9 moves. Also, there were four cube rotations and all were mainly so I could do a specific sequence on the R or L face as opposed to on the F face. Finally, I didn't use any special tricks at all during the solve. It was pure Fridrich.

I don't know if those little facts help at all, but yeah, that's how I solved it.

 

[martijn_cube]

thanks dchan. i'm going to try your solve soon. and also the other solves in this paige. i'm curious how the mgls solve works.

edit: did your solve dchan. that's how i would solve it too if i did your cross. only with the OLL i would use the first part of the Y-PLL. that's without a cube turn. so maybe faster? but yours is pretty short(OLL). but nice solve.

edit2: nice solve lucas. is it with mgls(i assume that this was a mgls solve) alway's that with putting in the last f2l corner that you solve the entire OLL? so last corner+OLL is then 1 step, is that correct? that would be nice. and why is it a bad solve for you?

edit3:mrbiggs: i like your f2l with the d moves. i have to try to use that too. but with your OLL, a nice alg for the H-OLL you had: (RUR'U')(M’URU')r'. and for your second OLL you had i also have a easy one: f(RUR'U')f' F(RUR'U')F'. maybe it helps.

edit4-pete: strange solve for me , but fun to do.

 

[dChan]

The first part of the Y-permutation? Wouldn't that require doing R U R' U' R' F R F' twice? Is this just because you do not know full OLL? Oh wait... I think I understand what you are saying. Can you type up the moves though so I can see what you mean?

MGLS is 3 pairs of F2L and with the final slot you insert the FR edge and orient LL edges and then you insert the DR corner and orient the LL corners.

Oh yeah, it seems I have the shortest solution. Anyone mind putting up a move count of your solve? I counted Mrbiggs and Lucas's solves and they ended up over 50. Possibly why Lucas did not like his solve, because it was relatively long compared to the difficulty factor of the scramble(which is easy)?

EDIT: Nevermind, some people have 49s...

EDIT: Lucas, do you always do your cross on top?

 

[martijn_cube]

i don't know full oll but for the oll you had i use: F(RU'R'U'RUR')F'
the alg you typed is the second part. you can use that for the T with two yellow infront. but i think your already using that one.

 

[dChan]

Okay, I see what you are saying. Yeah, I use full OLL so I already use that for the T.

I tried pete's solve and I found it very odd as well. I couldn't get it to work at first because I was trying to figure out what he was doing during each step.

We should have a Nielsson solution to this, lol. I would like to see that.

 

[hdskull]

Solve: 15.26s good.

Cross: L' R' U' B' R U' L2 (7)
1: U' L' U L U y' R' U R (15)
2: L U L' U L U' L' (22)
3: U' L' U2 L y' R' U' R (29)
4: U R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' (41)
OLL: U R U2 R' U' R U' R' (49)
PLL: U' R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2 (51)

 

[martijn_cube]

nice solve. nice OLL and PLL. even though everybody solves it differently almost all the solve are around 50 moves.

 

[martijn_cube]

these are all the crosses that have been used till now.

i've selected only the ones with cross in D. (same as i use)
Scramble with your cross in D (can use your own cross color)
F=Red
U=Yellow
D=White
U2 B2 R D L2 B’ R’ F D’ B2 R2 F’ D F2 D’ L’ R2 F’ D2 L B F2 D’ L’ R2
Cross:
1) D B’ L F’ L2 D’
2) D L2 B' L' F' u'
3) y2 L' U' F’ L y R' F R
4) y' D L' F R' F2 D'
5) y’ D L’ F’ D2 L D
6) y F' U' R' F D L' u' L
7) R' U' B' R F' L F
8) y F' U' R' F L' B L (same as 7, but then with y)
9) L' R' U' B' R U' L2

i think the f2l with fridrich solvers is most of the time the same, but the cross has many possibilities.

 

[Dene]

The problem with this is, everyone is going to do white on D. If you aren't going to choose white you are probably colour neutral (like myself) in which case you choose the best colour after the scramble.

 

[David]

Cross on left (white)
F - Blue
D' M' U' F' l' r' U R' U (cross 9) crappy but sets up F2L pair 1

F2L
Pair 1 - R U R U' x' U R U' (17 counting the x)
Pair 2 - l U R U' R' U R U' (25)
Pair 3 - l' U R2 U' R2 U R' U' (33)
Pair 4 - R U' R U l' U R' U' (41)

z (42 again if you count rotations)

OLL - U' l d R d' F l' U' R U' R' (53)
PLL - d' l' U R'D2 U' R' D2 R2 (62)

I need to find better OLL's
total 62 moves counting rotations and 60 if you don't. Not bad for Fridrich.

 

[CanadianPires]

Thinking of learning Doug Li's method better/fully, otherwise i just solve fridrich w/ 3LLL. Right now im just following the visual steps of his method but probably am not doing it correctly with his algs..

2x2x3 minus edge: D' F' R B D' U B2 D' y M2 U M2 L F' L2 R B' L (17)
Last edge: U' y R' F R (4)
3rd pair: U y' R U' R' U R U' R' (8)
4th pair: y R U' R' U' R U' R' U F' U' F (11)
DF edge + OLLe: y2 U M' U M (4)
OLLc: U R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' (10)
PLL: U2 y x' R U' R' D R U R' u2 R' U R D R' U' R (16)

Total = 70 which is lame, but im sure he combines steps 2, 3 & 4 all together in his full method sorta like petrus. And my 2x2x3 minus edge could improve a lot. Im still searching for a full outline of his method just cus im interested and might switch if i like..

 

[joey]

The problem with this is, everyone is going to do white on D.

Oi! That's not true! I do green

 

[Paiev]

y D R' B' D2 R D [6]
y' U' L' U L R U R' [7]
L' U2 L U y R U R' [7]
U2 R' U R U2 y R U R' [8]
U' y R U R' [4]

F2L move count: 32

F U R U' R' F' [6]
l' U' L' U R U' L U x' [8]
U' R' U2 R U2' R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 U2 [15]

Total: 61

 

[martijn_cube]

nice solve paiev. For your OLL(the second one) i use this alg:F'(rUR'U')r'FR. maybe you like it. you have to turn the shape so that you have one yellow in front and one left.

 

[dChan]

@Dene: I solve the green/blue cross. I picked up the habit from the Beginner Solution Hints Guide that comes with the cube(they tell you to solve the green cross). Now I'm using full Fridrich with green/blue cross, lol. I like my cross color(s) though.

I assume everyone who uses full Fridrich should probably get around 50 moves on this scramble. It really isn't too complicated. I didn't even have to do any LL orientation control with the last slot or any block-building.

@CanadianPires: I think I've seen Doug Li's F2L method. I actually have tried several different F2L methods(Petrus, Roux, Salvia, etc. even corners-first solving) and I ended up sticking with Fridrich + various F2L tricks. I suggest you do the same... or learn the Nielsson method.

 

[CanadianPires]

@dChan: you remember where you saw it or anything? I have also "shopped around" for an F2L and I also will probably stick with Fridrich F2L and add on some tricks to it, but I'm curious to see how all the F2L techniques work, and I think Doug Li's will probably be the last one I check out before I fully commit to just stick w/ Fridrich.