How would you solve this scramble?

[martijn_cube]

How would you solve this scramble? 2nd scramble added.

Just a random scramble from a timer:
Scramble: U2 B2 R D L2 B’ R’ F D’ B2 R2 F’ D F2 D’ L’ R2 F’ D2 L B F2 D’ L’ R2

U: yellow
F: Red
edit: scramble with your cross color on bottom

This is how i would solve it:

Cross: D B’ L F’ L2 D’ (6)

F2L pair1: L’U2L U’ B’UB (7)
F2L pair2: y’ RUR’ (3)
F2L pair3: y R’U2R U’ R’U’R (7)
F2L pair4: y’ UR’URU’ y RUR’ (8)

Total cross+f2l: 31

OLL: (RU2)(R2’FRF')(RU2R) (9)
PLL: U yx (R’UR’) D2 (RU’R’) D2R2 x’ (10)

Total moves: 50
(but I don’t know if I have to count the y and x moves also as a move?, and I count U2 as one move. Don’t really know what the normal count rule for this is.)

This is how I probably would solve it. I took it slow now, so maybe when I would speed I would make some different choices.


But my question is, can you show me how you would solve it??

And I’m practically interested in how many people will get an OLL or PLL skip (or maybe both)
And this may help me with my cross and F2L solving.


thanks.


Edit: *****ok second scramble for the ones who like to do another one*****
U B2 L B2 R2 B2 R' D2 L' U' L' B L B D L2 U L2 B2 L B' R' F D2 F
scramble with your cross color on bottom
it starts on paige 8

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

You counted correctly.

How I'd solve:
Cross + F2L pair1: D L2 B' L' F' u' (6)
F2L pair2: U2 L' U' L U' L' U L (8)
F2L pair3 + F2L pair4: R' U' R2 U2 R' U R U R' (9)

Cross + F2L move count: 23

OLL: U L F' L' F L' U2 L d R U R' (12)
PLL: R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U (14)

I was just going for cross but ended up getting the first F2L pair, too...my normal Cross + F2L move count is about 7 moves higher than that...

EDIT: Here's some tips -For your 3rd pair on your solve, you can insert it as U2 L U' L' U2 L U' L'. On your 4th pair, you can insert it as U' R U R' U R U R'. These are faster because of no cube rotations.

 

[martijn_cube]

thanx for the tips. your cross was really nice. never would have tought of the L2 move like that. and as for the third pair, that one is indeed easier. (would have got me an RUR' 4th pair too.) and for the 4th pair. strange wy i didn't do it that way. your 3rd and 4th is also very cool, never used that one before. can you also see it when speedsolving?
but seeing others solve the same solve is very handy i think. i can learn alot from this.

but not yet an oll or PLL skip. i wander if every scramble can get an oll or PLL skip. just by solving the cross and f2l different.

 

[Dene]

Lt-UnReal: Would you really solve like that at speed? That is amazing, or else just extremely lucky!

Scrambled with yellow on top, red on front I would:
Cross: x' U2 x U R' U x' U L2
First pair: U L' U L U' y R U R'
Second pair: U' L' U L U' y R U R'
Third pair: y2 U R U' R' U R U' R' U R U' R'
Fourth pair: U L' U L U2 L' U' L

42 move F2L

OLL: r U R' U' r' R U R U' R'
PLL: U' y' R' U l' f' x R' U R' U' (l R) U' R' U R U

67 move total. I counted the (l R) in the V perm as one move, as really I do a cube rotation at the same time and it is impossible to write with the current notation.

I tried my best to make it reflect what I would normally do. Quite a long solve, I normally average mid-50's, but full of easy triggers and two very easy Last Layer algorithms.

 

[Rpotts]

EDIT: I tried again (First try had a mistake)

Cross: R' U' B' R F' L F (7)

F2L 1: U2 F' U F (4)
F2L 2: L U' L' U2 y2 L' U' L (7)
F2L 3: R' U' R F R' F' R (7)
F2L 4: y U R U2 R' U2 F' U F (8)

Cross + F2L = 33 Moves HTM

OLLe: y2 F U R U' R' F' (6)
OLLc: y2 R U R' U R U2 R' U R' U' R U' R' U2 R (15)
PLLc: F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' (17)
PLLe: y2 R2 U' F B' R2 F' B U' R2 (9)

LL = 47 Moves HTM

80 Moves total...

That was an atrocious LL for me. The PLL was a N, which I don't know so I used a Y to do corners and then had a 3 cycle Allan for the edges and the OLLc was a case which I use 2 sunes for. Fast, but a lot of moves. It's too bad because my F2L was good.

I just timed myself on it and got 30.03, which isn't bad for how long the solve was.

 

[Pedro]

Cross: y2 L' U' F L y R' F R (7)
y R' U' R (3)
d R' U' R (4)
y' R' U' R U y L' U L (7)
U2 R U2 R' U2 y L' U L (8)
F R U R' U' F' (6)
U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' (14)

Total: 49

quite a good one

 

[gogozerg]

First speed solve:

1st block: (z'x2) r'UFr2U' (x')
2nd block: R'U'RUrRUR2U2R'2rU'r
Alignement for case recognition: U'
Corners: L'U2LU2rU'L'U(x')
Edges: M2UM'UMUMU2MU'M2U2

 

[Johannes91]

Why are you so interested in lucky cases?

Scramble: U2 B2 R D L2 B' R' F D' B2 R2 F' D F2 D' L' R2 F' D2 L B F2 D' L' R2
Step 1: y' R' U r2 F' D
Step 2: y' R' F R2 F' U R'
Step 3: y L R U R2 F' R
Step 4: y' U L U' R2 U L' R' U2 R2 U' R' U R' U2
LL: z' L U2 L' U' L U' L' U

 

[FU]

Cross: y' D L' F R' F2 D' (6)

1st pair: U' R' U2 R L' U L (7)
2nd pair: R U R' (3)
3rd pair: y2 U2 R U R' U2 R U R' (8)
4th pair: U' L' U L U' L' U' L (8)

OLL: (U) F R U' R' U' R U R' F' (10)

PLL: y R' U R' U' x2 y' R' U R' U' (l R) U' R' U R U (14)

Total move count: 56

Counted (l R) as one move for the same reason as Dene, I do it more like R2 x' with the cube rotation done together with the R2. And the y2 for the 3rd pair sucked. I couldn't find a pair while doing the 2nd so had to do it. Would have been a bad solve if I had done it physically.

 

[martijn_cube]

i've not yet tried all the scrambles, but thanx for all the imput. it's really cool to see that everybody solves it interely different, even though almost all the solves are with fridrich.

@johannes: i'm interested to see all the different possebilities on one solve, and learn from it. mostly learn from the cross and f2l.
and i wander if everey scramble can get a lucky case. i recontructed your solve (very strange for me, petrus?) and your oll was some sort of sune right? but than you had a PLL skip, correct?

 

[Jacco]

Cross (on top): x2 y' U R' F' U2 R U x2 (6)

F2l 1: R U R' U' L' U' L R' U' R (10)
F2l 2: L U L' (3)
F2l 3: L' U L R U R' (6)
F2l 4: y2 R' U' R U2 [edge control: y R U R'] F' U F (10)

OLL: y' R2' D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' (9)
PLL: y' L' U' L y' R2' u R' U R U' R u' R2 (12)
U2
Cross: 6
F2l: 29
LL: 21
Total: 56
Yes I know I'm slow and I should learn all Oll's =P

 

[Kristoffer]

Solve:

Cross: y F' U' R' F D' L' u' L (8)
1st pair: U' F R' U R F' (6)
2nd pair: y R' U R U' R' U' R (7)
3rd pair: U L' U2 L U L' U' L (8)
4th pair: y' R U' R U R' U' R (7)
F2L+ Cross = 36..:|
OLL:------
PLL:-----
LL= ----

Total=----

 

[Johannes91]

it's really cool to see that everybody solves it interely different, even though almost all the solves are with fridrich.

Have you seen Stefan's F2L study? Many people solved the same scrambles and wrote down their solutions. You might find it interesting.

@johannes:

This isn't Lojban.

and i wander if everey scramble can get a lucky case.

I'm not sure what you mean. In theory, of course it's possible.

i recontructed your solve (very strange for me, petrus?) and your oll was some sort of sune right? but than you had a PLL skip, correct?

Petrus, yes. The LL was an Anti-Sune, yes. I know enough algs so that 1-look LL isn't lucky for me (using scc's definition), though.

 

[martijn_cube]

Have you seen Stefan's F2L study? Many people solved the same scrambles and wrote down their solutions. You might find it interesting.

yeah i saw the topic, but i haven't red it yet. going to do right now

@johannes:

This isn't Lojban.

what do you mean with this? it just means 'a reaction to your post, just without the quote.

and i wander if everey scramble can get a lucky case.

I'm not sure what you mean. In theory, of course it's possible.

just interested to see how many people will get a lucky case on a scramble, just with solving the cross and f2l different. it's not very important, because it wont't really bennefit you, because you will never no you get one , but more for fun then.

i recontructed your solve (very strange for me, petrus?) and your oll was some sort of sune right? but than you had a PLL skip, correct?

Petrus, yes. The LL was an Anti-Sune, yes. I know enough algs so that 1-look LL isn't lucky for me (using scc's definition), though.

when i reconstuct your petrus solve it looks somewhat like solving an optimal solution for a scramble. well that's maybe because i don't really understand petrus.

 

[martijn_cube]

@dene: you solve it with cross on red. that's really impossible for me, lol. it's very hard to make any pairs but still nice solve if you can use it this way.

Cross: R' B' R' y' U' R' F' R (7)

F2L 1: R U2 R' U2 R U R' (7)
F2L 2: y2 U R' U2 R2' U R' (6)
F2L 3: y U2 F' U2 F U' y' R' U' R (8)
F2L 4: y' U' L' U L U2 y' R U R' (8)

OLLe: y2 F U R U' R' F' (6)
OLLc: y R U R' U R U2 R' (7)
PLL: U' y2 R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' (14)

63 moves total.

i can't seem to get this one working.
U:yellow
F:red
cross on white? it goes wrong with the cross. the green one isn't in the cross. and if i continue no pair is getting formed.

 

[martijn_cube]

First speed solve:

1st block: (z'x2) r'UFr2U' (x')
2nd block: R'U'RUrRUR2U2R'2rU'r
Alignement for case recognition: U'
Corners: L'U2LU2rU'L'U(x')
Edges: M2UM'UMUMU2MU'M2U2

this is also very cool to solve. i tried roux a couple times, but find it a bit difficult. but it's fun to do a full roux solve.

Cross: y' D L' F R' F2 D' (6)

1st pair: U' R' U2 R L' U L (7)
2nd pair: R U R' (3)
3rd pair: y2 U2 R U R' U2 R U R' (8)
4th pair: U' L' U L U' L' U' L (8)

OLL: (U) F R U' R' U' R U R' F' (10)

PLL: y R' U R' U' x2 y' R' U R' U' (l R) U' R' U R U (14)

Total move count: 56

Counted (l R) as one move for the same reason as Dene, I do it more like R2 x' with the cube rotation done together with the R2. And the y2 for the 3rd pair sucked. I couldn't find a pair while doing the 2nd so had to do it. Would have been a bad solve if I had done it physically.

this could also be a possibility for your third and fourth pair. but it wouldn't give you that much advantage because of the y turns in your 4th pair.
3rd: LU2U LUL'
4th: y'LU2L'U y R'U'R

 

[Lofty]

Yes, Johannes uses Petrus! Very nice movecount on that solve too. He knows like 24785346 algs so it may not have been lucky it was skipped especially since he did it on the left hand.
And yes again every scramble can become lucky if you do the F2L right.

 

[martijn_cube]

Yes, Johannes uses Petrus! Very nice movecount on that solve too. He knows like 24785346 algs so it may not have been lucky it was skipped especially since he did it on the left hand.
And yes again every scramble can become lucky if you do the F2L right.

wow that's alot of algs. lol. but it is indeed nice if you no algs to do a 1LL.
how would you solve it with OH?
and for the lucky cases, to bad you don't know your solving it 'right'.

and i looked at the f2l study topics of stefan, and i see alot of the same ideas. everyone solves the cross +f2l different. i will examen, the solutions from the f2l study more closely. i think i can learn alot from it.

 

[hait2]

z y2 F' R' u r' U L2 x u' 7(7)
y' R' U2 R y' L' U2 L 6(13)
y2 U L' U2 L d R' U' R 8(21)
y' R U' R2 U' R 5(26)
U R U2 R' U F' L' U' L F 10(36)

total cross+f2l+edges OLL = 36

U' R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R' 10(46)
y2 R' U' R y R2 u R' U R U' R u R2 12(58)

I'm really terrible though. I solved it first normally then went through the scramble slowly to figure out what I did. Waaaaay too many cube rotations =/

edit: i'd imagine it would be better if you said the scramble colors with respect to your cross color. i mean i solve a blue cross, so i had to do z y2 at first and then the rest of the solve is totally diff. IMO just say "scramble with your cross color on bottom"

 

[martijn_cube]

i'd imagine it would be better if you said the scramble colors with respect to your cross color. i mean i solve a blue cross, so i had to do z y2 at first and then the rest of the solve is totally diff. IMO just say "scramble with your cross color on bottom"

edit: yeah that had been better. i forgot that not everybody solves it with cross on white. but scramble with cross color on bottom is easiest. i will edit it in the start post. tnx