How to get my friend to continue learning f2l and not go back to beginners

[Andreas737]

My friend has just started learning f2l but has stopped and gone back to his beginners method claiming it to be way faster. He is very stubborn with this. Can you guys please gimme something to say to him to get him back on track with f2l?

 

[Anthony]

"Well, not everyone is intelligent enough to understand intuitive F2L."

 

[maggot]

instead of inserting a corner and then inserting the edges after, you are combining the steps together. the world records are set with this. it is common sense that F2L is faster after breaking the recognition barrier. show him videos of how fast f2l can be. he only wants beginner because lookahead and blockbuilding are 'advanced' concepts which are too much too complex for his brain to compute. beginner method can be fast, but no where near as fast as doing an F2L.

 

[Edward]

Does he know of the speed that has been accomplished with F2L? Maybe show him some videos or something.

 

[bluedasher]

"Well, not everyone is intelligent enough to understand intuitive F2L."

Yes, reverse physiology may work. Maybe show him multiple videos on youtube of people using F2L. Show him your solves with F2L and explain that it could take up to 2 or 3 weeks to see improvement. Show him this link from Lars Petrus's site...

http://lar5.com/cube/

under The Basic Idea it talks about the fact that LBL users didn't win the competition. All of these strategies may prove that F2L is faster.

 

[collinbxyz]

Hmmm.....I just started to learn F2L, so I might have an idea. Tell him that you have to work on it to actually get 'fast' at it. I am really slow now, but have been practicing and from what I started at, to what I am doing now, is a few minutes...=P I am still a bit confused, but I need to work for a few more days.

 

[collinbxyz]

I don't even know OLL or PLL yet, just finishing F2L first, to focus on it. I can do it fairly fast now.....

 

[qqwref]

Let him make the decision. When he sees how much faster you and others get with F2L, maybe he'll reconsider. Not everyone needs to be sub-15.

 

[Zarxrax]

LBL involves 8 different steps to solve all the corner/edge pairs. F2L uses 4. 4 steps is less than 8... so it should be obvious which will be faster.

Explain to him that his f2l is slower because his recognition speed is slower right now. He can probably do LBL pretty fast because he has learned what to look for. When doing F2L, he is probably just spending a lot of time staring at the cube. When he learns what to look for, his F2L will be faster.

 

[y3k9]

Show him how quick you solve using f2l, vs the beginners method and say that you get used to it, even though it's slower at first.

 

[Lorken]

Tell him to stick with F2l, it doesn't take long to get quick at. My friend learnt F2l, 2 look OLL and then went back to beginners LL (which does not require OLL) because it took him too long to learn the algorithms.

 

[goatseforever]

Tell him that he needs to learn F2L or you'll stop being his friend.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Find out how fast he wants to be. If he's too stubborn to learn a new method because he thinks his is faster, the only way to prove that is to show him videos of people using methods other than LBL that are fast. In his defense, I can sub60 the Rubik's booklet way of solving a cube, and in some people's eyes, that's fast. Not everybody wants to Sune OLL til it's solved then do a couple PLLs. I had friends like this, but they only wanted to be able to solve it and didn't care about speed. I'm sticking to my original words though, ask him how fast he wants to be and show him how LBL does have it's cap (although sub20 with LBL + 4LLL is quite an achievement, it's still incredibly difficult to achieve. sub20 with CFOP is quite a bit easier to achieve).

 

[qqwref]

LBL involves 8 different steps to solve all the corner/edge pairs. F2L uses 4. 4 steps is less than 8... so it should be obvious which will be faster.

Fridrich uses 5 different steps to solve all of F2L. Petrus uses 4. 4 steps is less than 5... so it should be obvious which will be faster.

 

[Rinfiyks]

4<5
4<<8

 

[Carson]

Maybe he could start by only using f2l for certain situations? Show him the R U R' and L' U' L triggers and have him use beginners for all of the cases besides those. Maybe he will gradually work his way into it.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Carson has a good idea. You could also show him keyhole, and have him use the F2L case for when he gets 3 edges and solves the last CE pair, instead of solving the corner then pairing the edge with the corner, then inserting.

You could also show him just that, that when he makes a CE pair, he's doing the same thing he'd be doing in F2L, except he's wasting time by solving 3 corners first.

 

[The Bloody Talon]

if nothing works
let him do what he want..
he'll understand it on his own after reaching 30 sec...

 

[RCTACameron]

I have a friend, who I taught to cube using a beginner's method. I then taught him
F2L, but he went back to beginners because he claimed it was faster. He has now been cubing for about a year, and he still uses beginners method, and he still rarely gets sub-1. :fp

Just tell him that if he wants to be a speedcuber, he needs to put in the effort to learn and get fast at F2L, because in the end it will give him better times.

 

[Rpotts]

who cares. If he's not ready for/doesn't care for f2l then why bother him. Not everyone is meant to use cfop. I mean, sub20 is possible with LBL, not all speedcubers use f2l. If he's been cubing and timing himself for a year, hes a speedcuber imo. Let him be, if he really feels like getting faster, he'll do it on his own.