How does lettering translate to BLD memo to execution?

[cmhardw]

I know for memo he used the cubes color scheme for letters so with yellow on top and green in front URF would be YRB

I don't understand this part. If Yellow is on top and Green in front then URF should be YOG. Also, how are you using the colors to memorize the cycles? I haven't seen badmephisto's tutorial to be honest.

 

[freshcuber]

Yea you're right I messed that up. But if you do a T-Perm then an L2 then another T-Perm and L2 you'd have three misplaced edges with red-white in the buffer(yellow on top green in front) then he'd memorize the cubies by their sticker color and orientation. Since white is on top in the buffer and red-yellow edge is where red-white needs to go he'd bring the sticker in the white stickers position up. So set up move is L2 and then a T-Perm.


I haven't seen the video in months so I could be remembering it wrong.

 

[cmhardw]

Yea you're right I messed that up. But if you do a T-Perm then an L2 then another T-Perm and L2 you'd have three misplaced edges with red-white in the buffer(yellow on top green in front) then he'd memorize the cubies by their sticker color and orientation. Since white is on top in the buffer and red-yellow edge is where red-white needs to go he'd bring the sticker in the white stickers position up. So set up move is L2 and then a T-Perm.


I haven't seen the video in months so I could be remembering it wrong.

That sounds very similar to Stefan Pochmann's description on his original page about his BLD method. I imagine badmephisto is doing something similar. By the way, you do not need to use letters to encode images. Most of us do, but if you wanted to use colors then you could do this. This is, in fact, what Stefan suggested in his page. For letters people usually, not always but usually, recommend to encode two pieces per image, so two letters per image. If you had, say, the white-red edge this would be the letter V for me. I would then take the Yellow-Red edge in that location and give it the letter B. So the first two pieces in that cycle are the image Volley Ball. If you are using colors, and want to encode two pieces per image, then you would need to have a corresponding image for white-red -> yellow-red.

If you do not wish to use two pieces per image, then just prepare more journey locations, and probably also place only one or two images per location and this could work just as well. This is just my opinion, but it uses a similar philosophy to how Boris Konrad told me that he memorizes, and he is one of the best in the world at memory sports.

 

[freshcuber]

It's a tutorial on Old Pochmann so it should sound similar. If I use two pieces per image then how many images will I need? Isn't something like 500?

 

[cmhardw]

If I use two pieces per image then how many images will I need? Isn't something like 500?

24 * 22 = 528 for edges and 24 * 21 = 504 for corners. If you want images for single letters, then add 24 to each number.

 

[freshcuber]

*jaw drops*

That's a pretty substantial amount of images to say the least. I thought on your site it said that there were only 512 combinations.

 

[cmhardw]

*jaw drops*

That's a pretty substantial amount of images to say the least. I thought on your site it said that there were only 512 combinations.

Don't think of them as two separate lists, there are 504 images used for corners (528 if you want images for the single letters). All 504 of these images are useful for edges as well, you just need 24 more images to "complete" the image set to also work on edges.

The total number of images that must be known is 528 (552 if you use images for the single letters).

--edit--
If you use one image per piece, then just prepare more journey locations. I would recommend to place one image per location if you do this, perhaps two images per location. This approach has also been proven to be very fast.

 

[freshcuber]

Alright then it's about as many as I had first thought. Should I make a list of images as I go along for my first few solves and fill in the blanks later or should I make it before I start?

 

[cmhardw]

Should I make a list of images as I go along for my first few solves and fill in the blanks later or should I make it before I start?

That's a tough question... whichever works for you? I made about 60-75% of my list before I started attempting to use the images during my solves. I like it personally to know the method in full and just prepare all the images beforehand. For my single syllable words list I prepared the entire list before using it on a solve. A lot of people seem to start more "freestyle" with their images, but over time you will start to find images that you repeat often.

Perhaps try this, just use whatever comes to mind with a certain letter combination during a solve. After the solve, on a list of all possible combinations, write down the images you used. Look at a couple of others' image lists to get some ideas of how to handle the more difficult letters like Q, X, V, etc. If you find this is helpful then just keep doing that until you complete a full list. If that doesn't work for you, then at least you will have a start to your list that you can then complete to have a full list.

 

[freshcuber]

I'll letter my cube and then start up an image list. I'm pretty sure that I have a study hall in school tomorrow and can get a lot of it done there. Thanks for all your help and if I have any more questions I'll just post here again.

 

[Cubenovice]

A "simple" way to get started without having to prepare 500+ images is the following:
Prepare a list with the 24 possible color combinations and attach an image to each of them.

Base the images on the actual colors of the pieces, the target sticker bing the predominant color in the image
orange - green = carrot this is the orange sticker on the orange-green edge (orange vegetable with some green loaf)
green - orange = parrot this is the green stacker on the same edge (green bird with an orange beak)

You can use the same images for your corners (make sure to read them all clockwise)
carrot: this is the orange sticker on the orange-green-yellow corner
parrot: this is the green sticker on the green-orange-white corner

24 images is all you need ;-)

BUT!!!
In this single-image system the actual story you have to memorise during the solve is twice as long as in the letter-pair method

This is a way to quickly set up a scheme for practicing BLD, in the mean time you can work on the 500+ list for letter-pairs.

 

[amostay2004]

I don't think you should limit yourself to images though. Seriously you don't have to do so much preparation to start BLD, just label all your pieces with letters (though I suggest a different memo system for corners (visual/auditory/etc)) and use whatever you can think of to memo them. As you progress you'll find yourself developing your own memo system

 

[riffz]

24 * 22 = 528 for edges and 24 * 21 = 504 for corners. If you want images for single letters, then add 24 to each number.

If he uses a fixed buffer then he really only needs 22*20 images for edges and 21*18 for corners.

 

[freshcuber]

I have my fixed buffers at the UR edge and the ULB corner. After I lettered my cube it came out that I somehow only need 462 images.

 

[freshcuber]

Okay so I've gotten about half of my list completed. I think I'll spend a little more time on my list and then make an attempt at edges. I understand edges better than I do corners. I'll permute the corners correctly but the orientation is often off by a twist. I tend to mess up my set up moves for corners as well. My problem is that I can use a Y-perm with no AUF for corners but when doing Ja and Jb-perms I have to do a cube rotation because of the angle I currently solve them at. Should I just practice integrated these rotations into my setup moves or learn two new algs?

 

[Cubenovice]

Sounds like you should lose two algs...
Forget about J's for now and work with T for edges, Y for corners and R for parity.

Once you get comfortable with the whole method it becomes easier to add algs to shoot to different targets.

edit: reading your post it looks like you use the J's for corners???

 

[freshcuber]

I use J's for both corners and edges. I use mostly T and Jb (I think it's Jb its the R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' one) and I use Y for corners but sometimes the set up moves are a pain so I'll try to use a J and then I just mess up the set up moves anyway.

 

[Cubenovice]

Then I suggest to ditch the J's for corners (how does that even work?) and stick to Y only.
The set up moves for corners via Y are pretty straightforward.

 

[freshcuber]

Because the J-Perms move two adjacent edges they can be used along with the Y-Perm for corners as long as the same adjacent edges are being swapped(that's where I'd have to rotate the cube) The only difference between using Y and J-Perms is that the corners you shoot from the buffer too are different. With the right algs you could shoot the buffer piece to an other top layer corner while swapping the same edges.

I'll work on the setup moves though and report back later. I think I'll make an actual BLD attempt at edges tonight and see how it goes.

 

[cmhardw]

Perhaps reflecting your alg over FB would be beneficial?

R' U' R B R' U' R U R B' R2 U R U