molarmanful
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Well, at all stages, practice IS the best strategy, but answering your question, yes.
[Help Thread] How can I get sub x on 3x3?
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Well, at all stages, practice IS the best strategy, but answering your question, yes.
so I do not need to learn more algorithms yet such as some full oll and pll?
RoXas
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Someone could explain what is and how to use the "keyhole" ?? I've been reading that a lot, but I don't understand what is and its help in the solution. :/ I ask because some previous post talk about that
please!
please!
Maybe not OLL, but PLL isnt that difficult.
However, the sooner you learn OLL, the better off you'll be
DeeDubb
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Keyhole is an F2L method. I personally don't recommend it. I think you should skip keyhole and go straight to intuitive F2L.
TDM
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Finish learning OLL. It will help a lot. Once you finish, get good algs and improve recognition you'll be very close to sub-10. Also focus on looking ahead, since minimising pauses is one of the easiest ways to get faster.
DanpHan
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If you can't already, I would suggest trying to inspect cross + one pair in your solves. This makes the Cross to F2L transition MUCH easier. If you can't track an entire pair (and there will be many cases where you won't), at least track a corner. For me, that was the difference between sub 10 and not sub 10.
Other than that, what TDM said. You don't NEED full OLL to get sub 10, but it will help a lot. Also make sure that you aren't just learning algs, but learning good ones.
I think your goals of getting sub 10 in a month and official sub 10 in 2 months are a little too ambitious, I think it'll just naturally take longer than that. Sub 10 is a pretty hard barrier to break. I wouldn't set goals for it at all, it'll just happen when it happens.
Good luck!
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molarmanful
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Not full OLL/PLL for sure. Beginner's method can easily get you sub-45 if you work on turning faster, and 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL can get you sub-30.
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DeeDubb
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Looking for some advice on how to progress. My goal is eventually sub 20, but sub 25 is more realistic at this point.
Things I know I need to work on:
- A few awkward F2L Pairs
- Sometimes I get completely lost and can't find a pair (usually when the edges/corners are hidden)
- Finish COLL (I have about 80%)
- Get some VLHS going
- More finger tricky crosses
- Less rotations
Stuff I'm pleasantly surprised about:
- My TPS is pretty decent (better than I thought). My U Perm on the 19.68 was 1.5 seconds, which is pretty darn good for me.
- My crosses are decently low movecount
Any other advice would be great!
and sorry about the popping audio... I didn't hook up my good mic, so the webcam mic did it's thing.
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JustinTimeCuber
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Questions for being sub-twelvish
Ehh I have some questions...
They are about getting to be sub-12...
I kinda want to be sub-12 or at least sub-12.5 by 8/8...
And I average low 14 (14.2ish)
Here are my questions:
1) What is the main thing I should do to get faster? I know all 78 LL algs, and I am sort of bad at CP recognition. My Cross+F2L takes about 2/3 of the time, and my OLL and PLL are split pretty evenly but if anything OLL is a bit faster. I notice that if I get the F2L done in around 8 seconds I will usually get a sub-14 or possibly sub-13.
2) Is learning COLL really worth it? I know a few of them, but I really suck at CP recognition and I manage to be sup-5 on 2x2 with most of CLL. Besides, my edge permutations aren't super great. 1.65 for Z, 1.5 for U, 1.35 for H. My worst PLL (Nb) takes under 3.
3) What about WV? If so, which ones?
4) Can you podium or have a (decent) chance of podiuming at a small competition with sub-12?
5) Is it at all possible to improve from 14.2 to 11.9 in under 2 months?
6) Can I get to 12.5 on my 12.5th birthday (7/7/2015) because that would be really (sort of*) cool (and impossible because that is like 3 weeks from now)?
7) How dumb are these questions on a scale of 3 to 709? (709 being dumb)
Ehh I have some questions...
They are about getting to be sub-12...
I kinda want to be sub-12 or at least sub-12.5 by 8/8...
And I average low 14 (14.2ish)
Here are my questions:
1) What is the main thing I should do to get faster? I know all 78 LL algs, and I am sort of bad at CP recognition. My Cross+F2L takes about 2/3 of the time, and my OLL and PLL are split pretty evenly but if anything OLL is a bit faster. I notice that if I get the F2L done in around 8 seconds I will usually get a sub-14 or possibly sub-13.
2) Is learning COLL really worth it? I know a few of them, but I really suck at CP recognition and I manage to be sup-5 on 2x2 with most of CLL. Besides, my edge permutations aren't super great. 1.65 for Z, 1.5 for U, 1.35 for H. My worst PLL (Nb) takes under 3.
3) What about WV? If so, which ones?
4) Can you podium or have a (decent) chance of podiuming at a small competition with sub-12?
5) Is it at all possible to improve from 14.2 to 11.9 in under 2 months?
6) Can I get to 12.5 on my 12.5th birthday (7/7/2015) because that would be really (sort of*) cool (and impossible because that is like 3 weeks from now)?
7) How dumb are these questions on a scale of 3 to 709? (709 being dumb)
1)work on xcrosses maybe, beside that practice!
2)idk, they can really be useful, except sune and antisunes, because the classic OLL is soo fast. I would still recommend to learn them, you choose.
3)easy ones
4)idk
5)maybe
6)really hard, especially if you do other things than cubing
7)i would say ~396.34567
EDIT: EPLL are easy, you're faster than me but my Hperm is 0.80, Uperms same.
2)idk, they can really be useful, except sune and antisunes, because the classic OLL is soo fast. I would still recommend to learn them, you choose.
3)easy ones
4)idk
5)maybe
6)really hard, especially if you do other things than cubing
7)i would say ~396.34567
EDIT: EPLL are easy, you're faster than me but my Hperm is 0.80, Uperms same.
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JustinTimeCuber
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Gosh, you think? I was expecting more like a 394.88701!
Praetorian
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1) F2L is the most important part of the solve, always work on that, try to sub-2 all your PLLs
2) I hear that COLL is mostly useful for OH, but I use a couple really easy ones, it's not in any way a bad alg set to know, it can be useful, for CP recognition try recognizing opposite colors/same colors
3) just learn easy WV cases, most are a little too long to be practical and you don't want to do much thinking or pausing during that time in the solve
4) I'm not really sure, but sub 10 has a much better chance
5) Depends on how fast of a learner/improver you are along with how committed and dedicated you are to getting towards that goal
6) refer to my 5th answer
7) never feel afraid to ask a question unless you have the ability to find the answer easily on your own
also if you're not already color neutral might wanna go towards that
but uh you're faster than me, I'm just giving some insight on what I'm knowledgeable of
2) I hear that COLL is mostly useful for OH, but I use a couple really easy ones, it's not in any way a bad alg set to know, it can be useful, for CP recognition try recognizing opposite colors/same colors
3) just learn easy WV cases, most are a little too long to be practical and you don't want to do much thinking or pausing during that time in the solve
4) I'm not really sure, but sub 10 has a much better chance
5) Depends on how fast of a learner/improver you are along with how committed and dedicated you are to getting towards that goal
6) refer to my 5th answer
7) never feel afraid to ask a question unless you have the ability to find the answer easily on your own
also if you're not already color neutral might wanna go towards that
but uh you're faster than me, I'm just giving some insight on what I'm knowledgeable of
CraigBouchard
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Do you know much about empty slotting for F2L? I find those very helpful...they cut a lot of moves out of some of the more complex cases. Other than that, I'd say practice turning slower but consistent. Practice look ahead so you aren't stopping in between pairs.
JustinTimeCuber
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Ehh I'm mostly color neutral for yellow/white, and if I see a REALLY easy cross on a different color I can do decently with it, but I'm just not wired that way 
And yes, I do use empty slots in my F2L. I understand F2L pretty well intuitively, but some algorithms might help me. Sometimes I watch a video like Chris Olson's F2L tricks videos, but I find a really neat one and then get distracted from the rest of the video, and then forget it and learn nothing in the process.
And yes, I do use empty slots in my F2L. I understand F2L pretty well intuitively, but some algorithms might help me. Sometimes I watch a video like Chris Olson's F2L tricks videos, but I find a really neat one and then get distracted from the rest of the video, and then forget it and learn nothing in the process.
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JustinTimeCuber
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Lawrence Open 2014 Official Results: 3x3 Podium said:
11.99 average (minimum speed for sub-12) would have been 3rd place at Lawrence Open 2014. Even if you didn't count Nate Perry's DNF and averaged the middle 2 remaining solves.
TDM
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Your F2L could be faster. Do more slow solving, trying to not pause and just keep turning up until OLL. It could be helpful to go VERY slowly at first (like 1 TPS) and then slowly turn faster and faster until you get back to your normal times.
Don't recognise CP, recognise sticker patterns. These will help your recognition a lot if you were trying to recognise CP before. Also, try to find better EPLLs - have you tried the MU U perms?
For both WV and COLL, you only need to learn the easier cases. For WV, the ones with 2-3 oriented corners are quite easy to learn and recognise, and so is R U2 R'. Those are the only ones I know.
Depends on the competition. I doubt that would be enough at a small UK comp but it could be different where you are.
Almost certainly.
This would be a lot harder. 13s would be more realistic to aim for, especially if you wanted to get sub-12 by 8/8.
JustinTimeCuber
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Let's just say St. Louis area is the absolute worst place in the US to live for cubing purposes. I've only been to one comp that is under 200 miles from here. At the small competitions (40 competitors) that I have been to, the 3rd place was sup-13.
NewCuber000
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I got a 13.09 average at Atlantic Open 2015 (Atlantic Canada) with about 40 competitors and I got second place XD. First place got 12.65 but he had a bad run (I think he has an official sub-10, not really sure. If not extremely close). Besides, we have another sub-11guy but he keeps not showing up to competitions. we're kind of a developing cubing community though (we've only started having official comps regularly for about a year and a half) so we're all still working hard to get faster.
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