Having trouble relating to the cubing community

A fear of discrimination and harassment when there is no real danger of it hapoening? This doesn't happen much, but I agree with Stefan on this one.

I can't tell if you're referring to it in terms of the cubing community or in terms of life (because clearly that changes how much I would disagree). If most of the places you go in life you experience something, worrying about it in other facets of your life isn't unreasonable; I'm actually laughing at how unbelievable I find it is that I had to articulate this. This thread got so ridiculous, why even bother offering comments that aren't advice for OP at this point? I'm going to stop derailing this thread now.
 
I can't tell if you're referring to it in terms of the cubing community or in terms of life (because clearly that changes how much I would disagree). If most of the places you go in life you experience something, worrying about it in other facets of your life isn't unreasonable; I'm actually laughing at how unbelievable I find it is that I had to articulate this. This thread got so ridiculous, why even bother offering comments that aren't advice for OP at this point? I'm going to stop derailing this thread now.

Nick said basically what I wanted to. Nobody here cares. The sooner he realizes that nobody here is going to treat him any differently, the happier he'll be.
 
We don't care about your sexuality! It's understandable if you are worried, but don't shut yourself in. We're a tolerant group, so the only person that's stopping you from relating to the cube community is you. We cube, and the fact you are gay doesn't change anything. We all enjoy the same hobby, and have common interests.

Just relax, go out and meet new cubers, go to comps. Have fun! :)
 
I guess by nobody you mean the 8 people that posted something in this thread. Don't know about you, but that looks like some degree of "caring" to me.

I'd say they care about him having a problem, not necessarily about him being gay. Also, I thought it's somewhat clear from my post as a whole that I meant a negative kind of care. And yes, admittedly "nobody" is an exaggeration as there probably are a few that do have a problem with it. "I was just trying to get a point across" (one that Kennan and Nick explained well).

If anything, I'd say gays are treated *better* here. Because we're well aware of troubles in the "real world" and have sympathy (and some of us are gay). I suspect Johnny would've gotten less feedback if he had left out the gayness and just asked about relating to the community. Also, so much playful "acting gay" among cubers... I really believe we're a pretty gay-friendly crowd (although of course I don't see everything, and I'm not gay so I don't have first-hand experience).

I can't tell if you're referring to it in terms of the cubing community or in terms of life (because clearly that changes how much I would disagree).

He said "when there is no real danger of it hapoening". Do you really think he (or I) might not be aware that there is real danger of it happening "in life"? Also, Johnny in the OP made it abundantly clear that this is about the cubing community.
 
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Yeah, there's no reason why sexuality makes it difficult to relate to this community.

There's an assumption that we have some kind of barrier there, and that is borderline offensive.
 
I joined this forum early this year and this is the first time I've seen sexuality mentioned. It's pretty rare for the opposite sex to be mentioned too which, given the number of teenage boys here, is surprising. You are more likely to suffer discrimination if you start solving with your feet.
Just relax. This is a nice place.
 

OK, there was no need to even make a deal of this, but sure.

but I just have trouble relating to this community
This Community? You seem to be making us all out to be homophobes based off of nothing, which is probably going to offend some people, myself included.

due to my identity being different than the majority of cubers.
Every single cuber is in some sort of minority. Anyone who has been to a foreign competition is going to be a minority at that competition but it doesn't stop us from all interacting and having a good time.

Is there any way to relate better to the cubing community? How would I do it?

Stop playing the victim card and intentionally trying to alienate yourself from people who would otherwise would welcome you with open arms, regardless of your sexuality.
 
Yeah, there's no reason why sexuality makes it difficult to relate to this community.

There's an assumption that we have some kind of barrier there, and that is borderline offensive.

You're correct about sexuality not making it difficult to relate to this community in particular. However, if you've experienced bullying or lack of acceptance over a widespread period of time, your social persona will reflect that regardless of whether the community you are around is accepting of you or not. You are treating social phobias as if they are logical, and as if they are a reflection of those around you. They aren't. Saying "I have trouble relating to the cubing community because of my sexuality" might be better expressed as "the social anxiety I have as a result of long term negative treatment because of my sexuality makes it difficult to relate to the cubing community." But "there's an assumption that we have some kind of barrier there, and that is borderline offensive" strikes me as a misinterpretation. His sexuality may not affect the way the cubing community relates to him. But it does affect the way he relates to everyone, and as the cubing community is a subset of "everyone," his sexuality affects the way he relates to the cubing community.

Johnny, there is no solution that comes from us. The way you will be accepted is by making your external personality one that people find appealing. Trial and error works. If you lack the ability to connect to us using your natural personality, and you decide that you would rather be accepted than be entirely "yourself," then the way you'll be accepted is if you figure out how to manipulate us into liking you. Become whoever society wants you to be. That may sound despicable, and that's because it is. But that's your answer. Act in ways that people will like, even if it doesn't represent who you think you really are.

I'm not telling you that this is a objectively a good thing to do. I'm telling you that it's how to be accepted by people. Being yourself may be more valuable to you than being liked by us, and if that's the case, then you should NOT do what I suggested. It's your decision.

One thing to NOT do is what you did in this thread. It's OK to admit vulnerabilities, but not in the way that you just did. Most people will interpret that as weak and needy, to put it bluntly. You're much less likely to drive me away by doing that than you are with someone else, since I have social anxiety disorder, and have firsthand experience with irrational social phobias. But I know from my own experience that what you did was a mistake, and will make you less connected to the community, not more. Anxiety and insecurity are contagious, and if you act that way, people who aren't that way themselves will not like you.
 
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You're correct about sexuality not making it difficult to relate to this community in particular. However, if you've experienced bullying or lack of acceptance over a widespread period of time, your social persona will reflect that regardless of whether the community you are around is accepting of you or not. You are treating social phobias as if they are logical, and as if they are a reflection of those around you. They aren't. Saying "I have trouble relating to the cubing community because of my sexuality" might be better expressed as "the social anxiety I have as a result of long term negative treatment because of my sexuality makes it difficult to relate to the cubing community." But "there's an assumption that we have some kind of barrier there, and that is borderline offensive" strikes me as a misinterpretation. His sexuality may not affect the way the cubing community relates to him. But it does affect the way he relates to everyone, and as the cubing community is a subset of "everyone," his sexuality affects the way he relates to the cubing community.

The title claims he has trouble relating to the cubing community specifically. It can easily be misinterpreted as the true meaning is not obvious (if what you're saying is indeed correct).

However, this thread didn't need to be made. He didn't have to announce anything. It's pessimistic and histrionic.

He asked how to relate to us better, and we're telling him how. We don't care, and he doesn't need to assume he will have any kind of problems here.
 
Just one thing I want to say to the OP, if you believe that the rest of the world sees you differently from everyone else, then you've been spending too much time on YouTube. I noticed you are fairly active in youtube and probably the most hateful, bigoted views come out of that community. Dont think that the real world is as hateful as the youtube community. It's pretty ridiculous sometimes what people will say. The sad part is, it's usually a bunch of socially awkward, often bullied teens who think they have power in anonymity by saying such hateful things.

Not trying to repeat the old "fuq da h8ers dnt listn man" chiche, but just don't let youtube comments skew your view of reality.
 
I noticed you are fairly active in youtube and probably the most hateful, bigoted views come out of that community.

Aren't they regularly and overwhelmingly flamed and downvoted, though? That's the impression I got. I think you can also pretty easily determine whether a video about homosexuality is for or against it - if ratings are very bad or disabled, you're pretty much guaranteed that the video is against homosexuality. And if it's for it, the ratings are usually very good.
 
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The title claims he has trouble relating to the cubing community specifically. It can easily be misinterpreted as the true meaning is not obvious (if what you're saying is indeed correct).
The OP says "I can solve a Rubik's cube and therefore I am a cuber, but I can't really relate to most people who share that label with me. I am gay, so the way I think about the world definitely differs from most of you. It's not anyone's fault, but I just have trouble relating to this community due to my identity being different than the majority of cubers." To me, the bolded part implies that he would have trouble around anyone besides the LGBT community, and that it is NOT the cubing community specifically. I don't have much doubt that he has some trouble elsewhere. He just didn't expect help from the community community with anything besides relating to the cubing community. Yes, his statement is ambiguous. But the way he acts makes me assume it isn't just here.
However, this thread didn't need to be made. He didn't have to announce anything. It's pessimistic and histrionic.
Yeah. That's fair.
He asked how to relate to us better, and we're telling him how. We don't care, and he doesn't need to assume he will have any kind of problems here.
He isn't assuming that he will have a problem, he's stating it as a fact that he does have one. This transcends "assumption." He feels unable to connect to the community, and sees it as problematic. Ergo, he has a problem. If you had said "he shouldn't assume that he will have problems because of his sexuality," or even "he shouldn't assume that people here have any ill will towards him," I'd agree with you.

I do agree with you that he's overestimating how much different being gay makes him.
 
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Which is even worse, because there is no reason for him to.
His reason for feeling like he has a problem seems to mostly stem from anxiety and insecurity. Neither of those are particularly rational. Giving a logical explanation for why a fear that's not logic based is irrational is not helpful to him at all. Does it even matter if there's a reason for it or not? It doesn't affect the way he deals with it.
 
So you're saying he has mental issues?
"mental issues" has the connotation of a person who's crazy and unhinged. No, I do not think of him as that. Is that your perception of people who are insecure?

If you're asking if he has mental issues in the most literal sense possible, then sure. More specifically, I think he has some sort of social anxiety. I have social anxiety disorder myself. I know a lot of people who have social anxiety. The way he acts is so, so familiar. Yes, I see that in him. I wouldn't call it a mental issue, though. If his anxiety is a direct result of how he's been treated in the past, I wouldn't think of it as "something wrong with him."
 
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