GuanLong Repackaged as... The Cube

I kinda want to put a "The Cube" box in a box of my own...

Maybe charge a few dollars more if I throw a written guide in it...


SRS EDIT----


My sarcasm aside, what this seems to be is an example of so-called "Reverse Passing-Off".

This is when a seller purchases a product from a competitor, replaces the original trademark with his own, then sells it under the new trademark. It is a form of Trademark infringement that violates § 43(a) of the Lanham Act.

This is fundamentally different from rebranding.

Rebranding occurs when a company, typically for marketing purposes, aims to change it's brand identity in the mind of consumers by making changes to it's logo, advertising style, or even its brand name itself. It is a change from within a company. This stands in stark contrast to what seems to be occurring here.

The issue isn't merely selling someone else's product. Rather, it is the deliberate misrepresentation of someone else's goods as your own.

Now with that being said, there are a few things to consider;
First, the Lanham Act is the primary federal trademark statute of law in the United States. Apart from a few exceptions trademark laws apply only in their applicable country. I'm unsure where the seller is located, but if they are in a country where Reverse Passing-Off is perfectly legal, then the our complaints about it will fall upon deaf ears.*

Second, the seller may not be reverse passing-off at all. Perhaps they are manufacturing the cubes themselves, using YJ's design. This is extremely unlikely in this particular case, however, and would in any case then fall into legal issues about patents (if YJ owns any).

Third and finally, the company of "The Cube" may have already struck an agreement with YJ specifying that they will resell with their own mark. We simply don't have enough information to make a sound judgement of whether or not this is the case.

I hope to have cleared up some of the confusion that seemed to be floating around about what precisely it is that is going on here. It isn't about merely selling someone else's products, or even selling it at a higher price. Both of these things are perfectly legal in the right context.


TL;DR
"The Cube" would be in the wrong if ;
1. they are attempting to sell YJ's actual product with "The Cube"'s trademark replacing YJ's
2. without permission from YJ
3. in a country that has outlawed this practice

It hasn't been shown that all of these are true as of yet.**



-----notes------


"Passing off (or palming off, as it is sometimes called) occurs when a producer misrepresents his own goods or services as someone else's. Reverse passing off, as its name implies, is the opposite: The producer misrepresents someone else's goods or services as his own."
-Dastar v Twentieth Century Fox, Justice Scalia

*The moral issue is another factor entirely, but I'd really rather not have to commit to and defend a moral theory in order to make the case that "The Cube" shouldn't have happened.

**Legalities aside, if it turns out that (1, 2) are true while (3) isn't, it's still a dìck move.
 
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its so stupid.. I was reading the description of "THe Cube" and it said right there "Guanlong structure" I be like *facepalm*
 
I think I might have had the same problem on amazon but with a different seller. I was early into cubing and wanted to get a 4x4 and me being a noob, just bought the cheapest one on amazon. It was supposed to be a QiYi but when it came in, it had no logo on it or anything and came in an all black box with just a little chinese writing on it, no english so I couldn't tell. anyway, it broke after 2 days. Not popped, broke. My dad wasn't satisfied tho so he went into an email war with the company and got me my 6 bucks back. It wasn't really that big a deal but its stupid that you don't know if you're gonna get what you ordered on amazon anymore.
 
I say we spam them with one star reviews. I can't stand to see people get scammed right before their eyes and there's almost no possible way for them to realize that they did.
 
I say we spam them with one star reviews. I can't stand to see people get scammed right before their eyes and there's almost no possible way for them to realize that they did.

Look at Erlier posts in this thread. You apparently have to buy the thing before you make a Review and you can't mention other products in the review.
 
Am I the only person who doesn't view this as a big deal at all?

There are countless examples in business of virtually identical products being rebranded and sold under different labels. In the cubing world, there are of course the NewIsland and QiYi cross branded puzzles, in the automotive world you have the FR-S and BRZ for example, just to name a couple.

In this case I'm assuming that most people take exception to the fact that The Cube charges essentially 3 times the normal price for what amounts to a repackaged GuanLong. What most people are overlooking is that The Cube has added value in the form of a successful marketing campaign. They have developed attractive English language packaging, they have created an Amazon listing that articulates the benefits of a dedicated speedcube over standard Rubik's cube. They have actually described the item in detail in their ad... these are all things that the manufacturers themselves, and the Chinese-run speedcube shops on Amazon have failed to do. They even include access to their online solution guide, which is presumably a beginner-oriented guide with similar attention to content and accessibility (can't confirm, as I've not accessed it).

How does The Cube pay for all this packaging and marketing? They charge more for their version of the cube. All it does is accomplish what any marketing campaign sets out to do: convince people to buy their product at the asking price. If the market won't sustain that price, the seller can change it or they will be out of business in short order.

As an experienced cuber you might be thinking to yourself that no amount of "packaging" could possibly justify the 300% markup on this item. You may view it is an immoral "scam". If you were selling a car and went through the trouble of washing and detailing the vehicle, making flyers detailing the features of your car, and posting them around town, on craigslist, etc, would you feel like you scammed someone if you ended up getting more for your car than someone who didn't do any of that?

Maybe you accept that The Cube can charge whatever they like but it is an outrage that so many members of the cubing community have apparently been scammed into buying this thing when they could have just bought a GuanLong. To that I would say: The people buying the cube were never going to buy a GuanLong in the first place. The people buying The Cube are going after a neat stocking stuffer with Prime shipping. Bonus that it purportedly turns better than an old dusty Rubik's and comes with an online guide. Makes a great gift under 20 bucks. That person was never going buy a $4 hunk of plastic covered in Chinese characters from a seller that only takes Paypal and ships in 3 weeks.

That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but what I'm trying to say is that The Cube is not ripping off wide-eyed, motivated young speedcubers on a budget. Anyone truly on a budget who cared about getting the most for their money would've seen the whole mess of cubes on Amazon ranging from $2-$25 and done a little research before pulling the trigger on a $12 cube. At the end of the day, the people buying The Cube are getting exactly what they wanted: an accessible, decent turning puzzle that doesn't look foreign, doesn't break the bank, and arrives at their house in 2 days. The fact that they could've possibly gotten more for the money doesn't really change that, and I'm surprised people are so worked up about it. Your energy is admirable but direct it toward a more worthwhile cause than spamming a legitimate business' Amazon page with negative reviews.
 
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Am I the only person who doesn't view this as a big deal at all?

If right off the bat they said this is a GuanLong but defended the price with packaging, and all of the other things you mentioned I would be much less harsh about my review and honestly accepting of the idea.

Since they tried to tell me multiple times that "the cube" was their own design, not repackaged anything, and had worked with a company to design a whole new cube I took that as direct lying and and attempt to deceive the customer.
 
Look at Erlier posts in this thread. You apparently have to buy the thing before you make a Review and you can't mention other products in the review.

You don't need to buy a product to review the product, it will just say "Amazon Verified Purchase" if you buy it.
 
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