Giving up Cubing for Lent

Innocence said:
RyanO said:
Innocence said:
RyanO said:
If there isn't a God (and therefore no afterlife) you've wasted a large part of the only life you're going to get, congratulations.
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Define "Wasted".
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Wasted, as in you've spent your life worshiping the equivalent of the Easter Bunny.
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Exactly how does worshipping God result in a lower quality life?
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How does believing there is no God lower your quality of life? Claiming that you should worship God to hedge your bets is silly. Assuming a belief in God, there are a mutlitude of religions that claim their teachings are the only true path to the afterlife. A majority of those religious people must be wrong since their beliefs are mutually exclusive and no one religious group consists of a majority of the human population. What makes you think you picked the right religion? Have you even looked into any other religions? Do you really think you would be a Christian if you were born in Saudi Arabia?
 
Dene said:
The way I see it, life is meant to be a test of faith. God doesn't explicitly show himself as a "test", if you want to put it that way. My guess is that you won't find that answer satisfactory, and I can't really think of much else to say at the moment.
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Right, I've heard this argument before, but there's no point of testing someone if you know they're going to fail. As I said above, if God wanted nonbelievers to believe (as he seems to), it would be silly to just leave it up to luck and hope they happen to get convinced, rather than convincing them yourself (which would be trivially easy for an omnipotent being). Once someone is a believer you can test them all you want, but if they're not a believer there is no information you can possibly gain from testing their non-existent faith.
 
Innocence said:
Irreducible complexity.
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If you're talking about Behe's idea, it's been destroyed countless times. In a nutshell, it's been proven that what Behe describes as irreducibly complex systems (ie: bacterial flagellum) made up of individual parts that could not have possibly evolved on their own due to their uselessness (ie: the flagellum's hook) are actually made up of parts that were used differently in less complex systems (ie: the hook of the flagellum most likely evolved from a secretory system's needle).

Innocence said:
General revelation.
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Too subjective, basically boils down to "the stars in the sky amaze me therefore God exists".

Innocence said:
Teleological argument.
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Which one?

Innocence said:
Every intelligent creation has a creator.
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Define "intelligent creation".

Innocence said:
The Star of Bethlehem on dvd.
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Haven't watched it. Cliffs?

Innocence said:
Oh, wait. Let's assume God's real, and omnipotent. To all that say the world wasn't created in the literal 7 days, I ask you this: Why wouldn't he? If God is omnipotent in the true sense of the word, why would he not do everything exactly as the Bible says? To say he would use a method as inefficient as the big bang is ridiculous.
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Who are you to say an omnipotent God that transcends time would care about efficiency over say, beauty or simplicity?
 
Since you believe in a literal 7 day creation, I suppose you believe dinosaur fossils were planted by Satan to mislead the faithful?
 
adimare said:
Innocence said:
adimare said:
Who are you to say an omnipotent God that transcends time would care about efficiency over say, beauty or simplicity?
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Complexity isn't really an issue, and as for beauty, there wasn't even anyone around to care until close to the end.
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You're ignoring the rest of my post.
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Not really, just not replying. I'm tired.

RyanO, I never once said dinosaurs didn't exist. You're jumping to conclusions.

Oh, I saw your edit last page. What religion do you follow if you aren't an athiest?
 
I guess I was jumping to conclusions. I appologize. I'm still interested in how the appearance and extinction of dinosaurs before the creation of man is consistent with a literal 7 day creation. I'd appreciate it if you could enlighten me.
 
I'm not going through the posts, but if something get posted and I feel like arguing against it, I might get involved.
But this thread seems pretty pointless.

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Oh yeah, and also "Lent"

There are just to many threads that go off topic and this post might help.
 
Shut up, Zane_C. Shut up.
(Clarification: this is the off-topic forum. Going off-topic is the point. Get over it. You don't completely control what we say in a topic just because you made it.)

@Innocence: If you believe in a literal 7-day creation I assume you also believe the world is ~6000 years old. In that case, would you say (using evidence from the Bible) that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at some point, or that dinosaurs never existed and the fossils are forgeries?
 
Zane_C said:
I'm not going through the posts, but if something get posted and I feel like arguing against it, I might get involved.
But this thread seems pretty pointless.

Note:
If you want your thread to stay on topic; In the title never include any of the following words:

Angel
God
Life
Bible
Jesus
Christ
Dead
Evolution
Creation
Christianity
Church
Faith
Hebrew
Holy
Judaism
Testament
Passages
Prophecy
Religion
Verses
Amen
Baptize
Devil
Glory
Grace
Heaven
Hell
Kingdom
Priest
Satan
Sin
Worship...

Oh yeah, and also "Lent"

There are just to many threads that go off topic and this post might help.
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Lol.

RyanO (Referring to you as that as my name is Ryan too),

I honestly have no idea how the existence of dinosaurs is compatible with a literal 7 day creation, as I've done no research on the topic. My friends have, I might ask them. What I do think is that people are too narrow minded. Our idea of 7 days passing as they do today could be completely different to the first 7 days.
 
qqwref said:
Shut up, Zane_C. Shut up.
(Clarification: this is the off-topic forum. Going off-topic is the point. Get over it. You don't completely control what we say in a topic just because you made it.)

@Innocence: If you believe in a literal 7-day creation I assume you also believe the world is ~6000 years old. In that case, would you say (using evidence from the Bible) that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at some point, or that dinosaurs never existed and the fossils are forgeries?
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The idea that the earth is only 6000 years old isn't even biblically consistent. This myth was started when someone went through the so and so begot so and so's and assumed a average lifespan of 40 years or something, I don't remember the exact number. This certainly is inconsistent with a literal interpretation of the Bible since Noah and others were listed as living 900+ years.
 
RyanO said:
qqwref said:
Shut up, Zane_C. Shut up.
(Clarification: this is the off-topic forum. Going off-topic is the point. Get over it. You don't completely control what we say in a topic just because you made it.)

@Innocence: If you believe in a literal 7-day creation I assume you also believe the world is ~6000 years old. In that case, would you say (using evidence from the Bible) that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at some point, or that dinosaurs never existed and the fossils are forgeries?
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The idea that the earth is only 6000 years old isn't even biblically consistent. This myth was started when someone went through the so and so begot so and so's and assumed a average lifespan of 40 years or something, I don't remember the exact number. This certainly is inconsistent with a literal interpretation of the Bible since Noah and others were listed as living 900+ years.
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Again, you're assuming that a "year" is consistent. From what I've learned, God sure is weird with time.

EDIT: Oh, qqwref, by the way, I think Zane was being sarcastic(somewhat). (Correct grammar for parenthesis, tell) Also, I guess you've seen that in my post after yours I know nothing about dinosaurs. Ty.
 
RyanO said:
Not thinking about why you belive something can lead to terrible consequences.
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+1, True

Dene said:
What if my belief is that God is out there, just watching and not interfering in the lives of the living? How am I supposed to challenge this, or find reason to disbelieve it?
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Not having a reason to believe it is a perfectly valid reason to not believe it. Can you prove that the world will not magically end in 2038? Why don't you believe it will?
 
Innocence said:
Again, you're assuming that a "year" is consistent. From what I've learned, God sure is weird with time.
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Seems odd to me that God wouldn't use our definitions of day and year, seeing as we're the target audience. God sure is a prankster, or maybe he just doesn't understand basic astronomy.
 
What would be the point of using measurements such as "day" and "year" in the Bible if they weren't the actual lengths of time? (I doubt people actually lived ~900 years, but still, if you're taking Genesis 1 literally you might as well do it for the rest.)
 
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