Giving up Cubing for Lent

[Muesli]

Hey jms_gears1,

I see you didn't reply to my last post.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Nor my previous one.

 

[jms_gears1]

Ok if you READ what i said, i said that i interpret the fact of existence itself as proof.
Since this is obviously how i INTERPRET there is no burden of proof...

But why the christian God of all the Gods out there?
If our existence is your proof of an intelligent designer there must be other evidence that points at this one God especially.

A couple of diffrent things, Mostly its that i believe that other religions are wrong.

First of all I automatically think of polytheistic arguments as absurd. When I think of God i think of a being that created us, that is all powerful. Every Polytheistic religion that i know of says that, there is one almightyish god who created minor deitys to help him out. I believe that this line of thought makes any type of god to much like humans, therefore the god is no longer really a god.

now the one other religious group i know something about, as far as their beliefs go, are the muslims. Muslims say they believe Jesus was a prophet of Allah, but Muhammad was the major prophet. A prophet speaks for God, or in this case Allah. However they do not believe Jesus to be the messiah. Jesus clearly state that he is. So when the muslims say that he is not they are calling Allah a liar. Which defeats the point of the religion.

Even if other religions are wrong, it doesn't mean yours is right. B != not A. You admit that you think most religous people are wrong, maybe there is a pattern here. Also you are making the common mistake of assuming the Bible is true in order to prove that the Bible is true. This is clearly circular reasoning. The Bible states that Jesus claims to be the messiah, however we can't know what he really said. That's like saying the Qur'an states Jesus isn't the messiah, therefore when Crhistians say he is they are calling God a liar.

Well i have not seen a better explanation than that of creation.

also The muslims believe in the christian Jesus from what i remember.

No, you're just not seeing a better explanation than creation.

And whats a better explanation?
First of all that would be subjective however....
I honestly would like to believe that my existence doesn't stop when i die.

There is concrete evidence that the earth is older than ~6000 years and that dinosaurs roamed the earth millions of years ago. As soon as I ask you to provide evidence that God exists you essentially say "I believe it, so I don't need evidence". I could claim that I can breath underwater, but nobody would actually take me seriously until I did it. I am in the position of "Show me why you believe this".

To quote Ricky Gervais, "It annoys me that the burden of proof is on the athiest. It should be: 'you came up with an idea, why do you believe it?'. I could tell you that I have superpowers. But I can't go up to people saying 'Prove I can't fly.'. They'd go: 'what do you mean 'prove you can't fly?', prove you can.'

No I did not imply what you said up there. I said that there is enough proof in the existence of everything, all you have to do is look around you.

As far as making the right decision i believe i have made it. Belief is just as important as evidence. Nothing is certain and you have to take everything with a grain of salt.

what i mentioned above was learnt recently. I do tend to do research in other religions just a little at a time. And i have yet to find anything as concrete as Christianity.

 

[Muesli]

I said that there is enough proof in the existence of everything, all you have to do is look around you.

Show me. Nothing I see around me says "god did this" to me.

 

[dannyz0r]

@jms Show us everything that is concrete with Christianity. Prove everything from religions besides Christianity wrong without saying "I believe Christianity is right so others are wrong." Wall of text plz.

 

[jms_gears1]

I said that there is enough proof in the existence of everything, all you have to do is look around you.

Show me. Nothing I see around me says "god did this" to me.

Really, because i cant help but notice simple stuff. I mean even just plants. Plants take in CO2 which we exhale and produce oxygen which we inhale, again their had to have been a designer. The world, and every entity on it coexist perfectly, until a sentient been screws it up.

I honestly dont see how there could not be a sentient creator, Scientists discovered that the universe works within certain boundaries or laws perfectly. How could that have been some cosmic chance? If the earth had been of by even a hair we wouldnt be here.

 

[RyanO]

Once again, your argument completely ignores the possibility that God could exist without Christianity being true.

 

[jms_gears1]

Once again, your argument completely ignores the fact that God could exist without Christianity being true.

No it doesnt...
I said an intelligent designer for a reason...

Ive already stated that i believe in christianity.

Ive stated i believe in christianity, and also within my last post i said i believed in an intelligent designer.

Therefore i believe in the christian God...

 

[RyanO]

You've explained why you believe in God. You haven't explained why you believe in Christianity (other than making false claims about other religions.)

EDIT*

I'm not trying to be mean, I just sincerely am interested in hearing your answer to what I feel is an important question. Lack of a sufficient answer to this question was a big part of my reason for leaving the church.

 

[Muesli]

I said that there is enough proof in the existence of everything, all you have to do is look around you.

Show me. Nothing I see around me says "god did this" to me.

Really, because i cant help but notice simple stuff. I mean even just plants. Plants take in CO2 which we exhale and produce oxygen which we inhale, again their had to have been a designer. The world, and every entity on it coexist perfectly, until a sentient been screws it up.

I honestly dont see how there could not be a sentient creator, Scientists discovered that the universe works within certain boundaries or laws perfectly. How could that have been some cosmic chance? If the earth had been of by even a hair we wouldnt be here.

If the universe is to exist it needs to co-operate with itself. It's called Equilibrium, and it is a natural occurance in almost everything. Plants evolved to absorb CO2 because that was what they needed to do to survive. The plants that could not survive in the CO2 rich atmosphere millions of years ago perished, whilst the ones that could survive spread across the land into the trees and bushes you see today.

If the earth were driven off by a hair then we wouldn't be here, but some other race billions of lightyears away would be having an identical argument.

 

[adimare]

Hey jms_gears1,

I see you didn't reply to my last post.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Nor my previous one.

Nor my only one.