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German Open 2008

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Congratulations to Tim for this amazing new multi-BLD record! I also have much respect for Dennis, you guys are both incredible at this event! I too think that we might see you guys trading records for a while ;-)

Congratulations again, that was incredible!

Chris
I agree it was incredible!

If they're going to trade records, it's a little scary how things might go from here. Will we see a 50 cube attempt before the end of the year?
Thanks Chris.

I'm not sure if i'll practice again. I definitely take a short break first.

Dennis and i already talked about the limits of multi bld. 50 cubes isn't a problem at all, but 100 could be. But it depends on the time limit.
 

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i don't know if the number is going to increase a huge amount. I think they should start going for time... The number is incredible, but I would think seeing it done quickly would be great too.
The fact is that currently, the event is based on the number of cubes, so why not 50? Tim says 50 cubes isn't a problem at all, and I honestly don't see any reason why it would be that insanely more difficult than 24, when you're already accurate enough to do 24 in competition. I think like Tim says, only a time limit would limit this (or perhaps the need for a bathroom break? :)).
 
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Hey!
Well i practise speed at the moment...
4x4 i practised 1 hour and got better in avg about 25 seconds...so i will practise!!! And i will practise Megaminx cause sub 2 average would be great in next competition, already got 2:05 min today, cause i didnt know the OLL...have to learn some algs for that first...
then i will practise multi-speed up to 5 cubes and use that for multi...
but practise for multi will be later, not yet...i am not sure, how many cubes will be next, cause i have to see, how the training is going on, but 30 would be really nice...

Greetings...Dennis;):)
 
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You could cut the memo into your arm and "read" it later with your fingers btw: would that be illegal? ^^

But it realy changes nothing, because you can not see during solving, the only advantage you could take from it would be that you can write the memo down and look over it to see some possiblities of better memorization.

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B3b) The competitor must not make notes. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
But could you bring like 30 or 40 objects with you and place them on the table to memorize the cube and then touch over them during the solve or is that "taking notes" too?

But I go offtopic, so, again, great job tim, I am looking foward to see what you or dennis are doing next, more cubes, faster solve, maybe a great blind solve on a big cube.
 
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B3b) The competitor must not make notes. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
But could you bring like 30 or 40 objects with you and place them on the table to memorize the cube and then touch over them during the solve or is that "taking notes" too?
Haha, great idea ;). But i would say, that's taking notes, too ^^.
 
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B3b) The competitor must not make notes. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
But could you bring like 30 or 40 objects with you and place them on the table to memorize the cube and then touch over them during the solve or is that "taking notes" too?
Haha, great idea ;). But i would say, that's taking notes, too ^^.
Uh, this could actually be serious: Configuration of the cubes on a table.
It is imperative that no one move the cubes the solver places down after memo (so that (s)he can pick them up correctly), if we do not want any judge interaction (and I don't think we'll ever let the judge hand the competitor the cubes during the attempt, as that gives the judge a huge responsibility to keep the cubes in order and not to make a mistake).

However, that means you could encode a bit of info per cube just by relative position. Perhaps you place them in a row, and each cube is a little ahead of the previous if the cube has parity, and a little behind if it doesn't -this would give a gentle reminder during the attempt. Also, if some cubes are distinguishable by sticker/tile feel, you could theoretically rearrange them for a bit more data (just tap over a few, and maybe pick them up, as if you were trying to make sure you still remembered your memo).
It's also possible to stack them n specific ways. (Start with a cube, go up, right, or down, etc.)

Also, regulating how one may place down cubes could be difficult if people like thinking of counterarguments (which, of course, we always do. :p ). If at all, I don't think we could agree on anything fancier than, say, requiring adjacent rows of x cubes.
 
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B3b) The competitor must not make notes. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
But could you bring like 30 or 40 objects with you and place them on the table to memorize the cube and then touch over them during the solve or is that "taking notes" too?
Haha, great idea ;). But i would say, that's taking notes, too ^^.
Uh, this could actually be serious: Configuration of the cubes on a table.
It is imperative that no one move the cubes the solver places down after memo (so that (s)he can pick them up correctly), if we do not want any judge interaction (and I don't think we'll ever let the judge hand the competitor the cubes during the attempt, as that gives the judge a huge responsibility to keep the cubes in order and not to make a mistake).

However, that means you could encode a bit of info per cube just by relative position. Perhaps you place them in a row, and each cube is a little ahead of the previous if the cube has parity, and a little behind if it doesn't -this would give a gentle reminder during the attempt. Also, if some cubes are distinguishable by sticker/tile feel, you could theoretically rearrange them for a bit more data (just tap over a few, and maybe pick them up, as if you were trying to make sure you still remembered your memo).
It's also possible to stack them n specific ways. (Start with a cube, go up, right, or down, etc.)

Also, regulating how one may place down cubes could be difficult if people like thinking of counterarguments (which, of course, we always do. :p ). If at all, I don't think we could agree on anything fancier than, say, requiring adjacent rows of x cubes.
I believe Dennis does this (or used to), placing the cubes in different distances from him...

there's a video when he's memorising and he has a cube over some others :D

not "illegal" to me, you can arrange the cubes in whatever way you like...
 
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Lucas:
Perhaps you place them in a row, and each cube is a little ahead of the previous if the cube has parity, and a little behind if it doesn't -this would give a gentle reminder during the attempt.

Well, i always did that...now, i dont, cause i use a new memo-system, that automatically includes the parity, but i really used to do that:D:D:D...

Greetings...Dennis;):)
 

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I had noticed that Rowe did that (the parity arrangement thing) on one of his big multi attempts on video. I actually did that for a few weeks when I was around 5 or 6 cubes. But since then I've stopped, because it takes too much effort to do that and it's not really that much help anyway. I'd rather count on my main memory just being enough by itself.

For proper multiBLD, I think we need to start having 2 tables - one high and the other low. The low table sits directly underneath the high table. The competitor must place all the cubes on the low table (in whatever arrangement the competitor wants) before donning the blindfold. Then, all the cubes must be solved above the low table and under the high table. That way, there are no opportunities to glimpse the cube before or after solving it.
 
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