FIFA world cup 2010 South Africa Thread

[trying-to-speedcube...]

Please reread the rules of offside and then argue about affecting play. He was onside. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

I could swear you just defined the rules of offside in your previous post. And I could swear I showed you clearly enough why it was offside. And believe me, I do know what I am talking about.

 

[CharlieCooper]

I am too unbelievably sad that Holland didn't win :'(

 

[puzzlemaster]

Please reread the rules of offside and then argue about affecting play. He was onside. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

I could swear you just defined the rules of offside in your previous post. And I could swear I showed you clearly enough why it was offside. And believe me, I do know what I am talking about.

Ha that's your opinion. Believe what you want. I'll believe what I want. I do not think it was offside. In any case, you wouldn't have had any complaints had robben scored the goals that he should have. Spain were the better team. The deserved to win. They did. So say whatever you want.

 

[CharlieCooper]

Please reread the rules of offside and then argue about affecting play. He was onside. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

I could swear you just defined the rules of offside in your previous post. And I could swear I showed you clearly enough why it was offside. And believe me, I do know what I am talking about.

Spain were the better team. The deserved to win. They did.

Disagree, a LOT.

 

[Dene]

Kinda sad. But at least, as Luke said, NEW ZEALAND IS THE ONLY UNBEATEN TEAM FROM THIS WORLD CUP .

 

[MTGjumper]

Watching highlights now. I'll look for the offside.

 

[Crazycubemom]

I am too unbelievably sad that Holland didn't win :'(

Charlie.................. I LOVE you so MUCH!


With burning in my heart, tears, angre I took my cube and did avrg of 12 and YES sub 21 ! How I love Orange Football team so much

 

[CharlieCooper]

I am too unbelievably sad that Holland didn't win :'(

Charlie.................. I LOVE you so MUCH!


With burning in my heart, tears, angre I took my cube and did avrg of 12 and YES sub 21 ! How I love Orange Football team so much

I love you too Maria! Always!

Holland had a bad result, but at least Maria and Charlie had good results! I did 16.89 avg 12, so I am very pleased I am too sad for Holland team though Really wanted them to win.

 

[MTGjumper]

Highlights showed that the initial pass to Iniesta which didn't reach him wasn't offside. If anything, you should be arguing the fact that the corner from Robben's free kick was not given or, as you retained possession straight away, the fact that Elia did not win a free kick prior to the goal.

 

[Stefan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oE6Q-UfNrQ

The law states that, if a player is in an offside position when the ball is touched or played by a team mate, he may not become actively involved in the play. It is not an offense to merely be in an offside position.

 

[MTGjumper]

Maarten however was arguing that a player had to intercept the initial pass that was intended for Iniesta, thereby pulling that player out of position which gave Iniesta more space for his goal from the second pass.

But there was no offside anyway...

 

[masterofthebass]

maarten:

(from the vid stephan linked to)

As you can see, he is even onside when the ball was being fed to him. There was no point in time where he was offside, except for after the ball was defended on this pass, but he recovered to be onside before the final pass was made. Absolutely 100% no foul here.

 

[Stefan]

Maarten however was arguing that a player had to intercept the initial pass that was intended for Iniesta, thereby pulling that player out of position which gave Iniesta more space for his goal from the second pass.

he may not become actively involved in the play

Defined in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)#Offside_offence

 

[MTGjumper]

Active and passive are such grey areas anyway. Some referees may consider it active if you are pulling someone out of position.

Also:

Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent

which seems to cover my side of the argument.

 

[Stefan]

Active and passive are such grey areas anyway. Some referees may consider it active if you are pulling someone out of position.

Defined in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)#Offside_offence

 

[masterofthebass]

for an even higher quality video still:

from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwF0soH1BI

Watching the leadup to the pass, Iniesta intentionally slows down to stay onside. Anyone who says he was offside is just being a sore loser.

--edit--

one last pic showing he is 100% onside. The ball is in the air, and he's still even with the defender.

 

[MTGjumper]

Check my edit, Stefan. I'm sure you'll disagree still.

 

[Stefan]

Interfering with play
Playing or touching the ball

=> He didn't.

Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent

=> He didn't.

Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
Playing the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent[4]

=> He did play the ball after it had rebounded off an opponent and then touched several times by his teammate and after he went back into onside.

(Then again, I only watched cause my neighbor forced me to and I don't care about football at all, so this is my noob interpretation of the situation)

 

[MTGjumper]

I would consider him to "distracting the opponent" by making him have to intercept the initial pass.

Anyway, despite this argument being over a non-incident, it highlights the lack of clarity in the rules for offside, and what can be deemed as interfering.

 

[Crazycubemom]

Football is Art +Sport.
must clean and FAIR, out of off side position do you thing ho(nd)ward fair in whole match? he took a party


I bet Bin Ladden is also saying "what a not fair referee".